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Where's Seraphin and was she necessary?

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ApollotheArcher	Where's Seraphin and was she necessary?	Lead	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3718 (12/26/08 10:15 PM) Hera's Enforcer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None In Sac I & II, we meet Gabrielle's girlhood friend, Seraphin. She's there for the famous dump into the lava, but afterward, she's a big zero. We spent so much time saving her in the prior eps, and then she disappears from the series faster than the Olympians in the Twilight (and that's saying a lot.) So what happened to Seraphin? Was Xena so crazed with grief that she cut Seraphin's throat? Was she even necessary to the Sacrifices at all? What contribution do you think she made to the Xenaverse? ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away."
lilbrian384		#1	[-]
Villager Posts: 30 (12/26/08 10:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Interesting question. I think that Seraphin was necessary to the Sacrifice episodes. She served as a physical embodiment of the power that Hope had achieved. Even in a cocooned state, she was able to take control of Seraphin's mind (as evidenced when Xena injured Hope and Seraphin momentarily cried to Gabrielle for help.) She did play a very important part as she also eventually led Xena straight to Hope. I liked the fact that they used her as a catalyst for Gabrielle's feelings in the past about Hope being able to change or be good. She attempted to convince Gabby that Hope was bringing good things, and it put me as a viewer in the position of wondering if Gabby was going to buy into the whole "she's my daughter" bit again. Thankfully she didn't, as she would have been even more wrong to make the same mistake twice. I think it would've been an interesting touch to possibly add her to the Family Affair ep (seeing as how she was from Potidaea), but even if they had done that I personally wouldn't have been interested in seeing too much more of her.
LadyKate63		#2	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 86731 (12/27/08 5:37 AM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Apollo the Archer wrote: So what happened to Seraphin? Was Xena so crazed with grief that she cut Seraphin's throat? That would be pretty shocking! Given that at that point, Seraphin wasn't doing anything violent. I assume Seraphin just went back home (though we didn't see her in Potadeia in A Family Affair). Was she necessary for Sacrifice I & II? I'd say she was pretty essential to the plot at several points. Obviously the script could have been rewritten without Seraphin, but I think it was a good idea to have Gabrielle's childhood friend -- someone she cared about -- be involved in the Dahak cult. See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, banner by Aurora Goddess, Avatars by Lionchilde
xenawp7706		#3	[-]
Olympian Posts: 9225 (12/27/08 7:32 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think Seraphin served to the purpose to awake Hope, once she woke up, she was useless
Gabfan23		#4	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1163 (12/27/08 9:15 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It was one of the few times that it was friend of Gabrielle's rather than an acquaintance of Xena's that was involved. It could have been a random person but i always thought having a friend of Gabrielle's brought another emotional level to it. I am assuming that she went back to Potedia. Maybe Xena took her or more likely Joxer. Banner and keepership courtesy of TaladarkieJJ //userbars courtesy of Taladarkie JJ and Aurora Goddess Thank you!
Sunshine7		#5	[-]
Three Star General Posts: 1145 (12/27/08 9:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, she lead Xena and Gabrielle to where Hope was and also brought her back... Interestingly she was Gabby's friend but she seemed like a weirdo to me. True love conquers all...
Drawing Blood		#6	[-]
Moderator Royal Posts: 4420 (12/27/08 10:39 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I can't imagine Xena killing Seraphin only because she would have been too focused on trying to find Gabrielle. Anyone or anything else would just seem too irrelevant. And yeah, I would have also liked to hear a reference to Seraphin's whereabouts. One possible explanation is that maybe she felt it best not to go home and decided to stay in another town. Banner made by Pandora. Last Edited By: Drawing Blood 12/27/08 3:33 PM. Edited 2 times.
floacism		#7	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3838 (12/27/08 1:45 PM) Xena's Cheerleader Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I thought she was oddly interesting. juicy-flawless.org [gallery] [krypton haven]
ApollotheArcher		#8	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3721 (12/27/08 11:14 PM) Hera's Enforcer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Interesting takes on Seraphin, but Sunshine, why was Seraphin a weirdo? Also, I always wondered if Seraphin was a take-off of Seraphim, an angel of the highest order. Seraphin was also, I believe, the first of the short haired blonds that entered the Xenaverse. ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away."
LadyKate63		#9	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 86745 (12/28/08 1:33 AM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I would think worshipping Dahak and Hope sorta instantly qualifies you as a weirdo. Especially with her "Where is the happiness? where is the peace?" thing. Interesting observation about the resemblance to the word "seraphim" and about the first of the short-haired blondes. See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, banner by Aurora Goddess, Avatars by Lionchilde
ApollotheArcher		#10	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3725 (12/28/08 6:08 PM) Hera's Enforcer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks, LK! Those lines "Where is the happiness? Where is the peace?" were an interesting take on Dahak who seemed patterned after Satan. However, I thought Seraphin got a "get out of jail free card" since she was under Hope's mind control. Does being under mind control qualify you as a weirdo? ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away."
xena321		#11	[-]
Royal Posts: 7017 (12/28/08 11:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	She played a part in the show that was connected to the storyline, but I guess the problem was they should of mentioned what happened to her. But Xena always had that issue, with having characters disappear without a trace or mention. So it didn't bother me much. ____________________________________ credit to TaladarkieJJ, everhope, Elsieaustin, Aurora Goddess and Nanziniemi XOC Forum Host and Master of Survivor
Xenasgrrl		#12	[-]
Olympian Posts: 4825 (12/28/08 11:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think Seraphin was only a weirdo because she was under Hope's mind control. ~PLA banner by Shen~ ~Keepership banner by Sais08~~sig courtesy of Zaudeen~ Userbar made by Leigh~thank you sweetie Free Disney Tickers
toxic64		#13	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1113 (12/28/08 11:48 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	IMO there wasn't really an emotional connection b/w Seraphin and Gabrielle. In fact, she seemed warmer and closer to all of her spiritual leaders than she did to her former childhood friend, but maybe that was the point.
xenawp7706		#14	[-]
Olympian Posts: 9256 (12/29/08 4:53 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Seraphin to me was a bit nut, she was brainwashed from those minions, and she could not think clearly
ApollotheArcher		#15	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3731 (01/01/09 12:48 PM) Hera's Enforcer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	xenawp7706 wrote: Seraphin to me was a bit nut, she was brainwashed from those minions, and she could not think clearly Xenawp, are you saying you have an explanation for where the happiness and the peace are? ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away."
TheJollyApe		#16	[-]
Royal Posts: 4311 (01/01/09 1:07 PM) XOC Forum Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My memory of her was the fanatical nut, but after a new watch I realised she was a lot more. Sure she was fanatical, but she also appeared to be a lot more knowledgeable than a simple mindless sheep. She made some very good points and I do think linking her to Gabrielle's past was a good idea in theory, but failed somewhat in reality. She presented some very good arguments for her cause and posed some very interesting questions in relation to the Greater Good. Who controls it? Who have the right to control other peoples' lives in the name of the Greater Good? She was necessary both for the plot, but also in order to create some of that interesting philosophy discussion this show willingly provides us with if we care to look for it. As to what happened to her, that's almost a little irrelevant seeing how she didn't really have anything more/else to give us. "Here the destruction is subtle." The Chronicles of Ape
Aresbitch		#17	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 1894 (01/01/09 1:54 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's been a long time since I've watched all of Sacrifice II (I usually just concentrate on the last five minutes of the episode), but I remember being very annoyed with Seraphin. I thought she was just one of those sheep that was unhappy in her short life and looking for some external force to 'complete' her or to at least validate her unhappiness and offer her a way out so she wouldn't have to find one herself. Dahak gave her a good line - none of which I found believable - and she went along with it, helped by some sort of mind control. Truthfully a lot of this reminded me of the Manson Family and their cult. From a meta perspective, I thought Seraphin served to put a human face on Dahak's following, a familiar or trusted one because she's Gab's childhood friend and nothing bad ever came out of Poetadia apparently, and she was there to exposit the things about Dahak - his intentions, or at least what he told his followers his intentions would be - that couldn't have come from a priest of his or Dahak himself. When we didn't need to know any more she disappeared.
ApollotheArcher		#18	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3744 (01/04/09 2:31 PM) Hera's Enforcer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I wanted to point out that on the "Rate-A-Xena Website" Seraphin is ranked at the rock bottom--the dead last place in popularity for any character who ever appeared on Xena. People liked her even less than the bratty daughter of Lao Ma. She is also given the lovely description as "Damn Fool Dahak Cultist." haha! Aresbitch, I see what you're saying about her putting a human face on the Dahak cult. It's actually something we never saw the writers do during the Twilight. The followers of the Olympians were always purely wicked rather than two-dimensional characters. Not that Seraphin was two-dimensional, but at least she gave some kind of background to Gabrielle. Also, I'm not sure if it's right to say that Seraphin was fooled by the cult. Are you "fooled" if you're under mystical mind control? ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away." Last Edited By: ApollotheArcher 01/04/09 2:34 PM. Edited 1 times.
Aresbitch		#19	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 1908 (01/04/09 2:43 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	ApollotheArcher wrote: I wanted to point out that on the "Rate-A-Xena Website" Seraphin is ranked at the rock bottom--the dead last place in popularity for any character who ever appeared on Xena. People liked her even less than the bratty daughter of Lao Ma. Also, I'm not sure if it's right to say that Seraphin was fooled by the cult. Are you "fooled" if you're under mystical mind control? I'm shocked Seraphin came in dead last, considering the show also gave us Tara the Screeching Brat and Akemi the Lying, Soul-Stealing B*tch. But okay. I'm going on the assumption that Seraphin wasn't under Dahak's mind control in the beginning. I imagine she ran into someone, like a priest or someone already under Dahak's control, who told her about this wonderful new god who was going to bring peace and love and pink baby unicorns back to the world, and sweep away the useless Olympians. Then once she joined, the mind control began, probably slowly at first, and then overtly, until she was willing to die to bring Hope forth. The usual cultist highjinks.
ApollotheArcher		#20	[-]
Four Star General Posts: 3746 (01/04/09 8:29 PM) Hera's Enforcer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Aresbitch wrote: ApollotheArcher wrote: I wanted to point out that on the "Rate-A-Xena Website" Seraphin is ranked at the rock bottom--the dead last place in popularity for any character who ever appeared on Xena. People liked her even less than the bratty daughter of Lao Ma. Also, I'm not sure if it's right to say that Seraphin was fooled by the cult. Are you "fooled" if you're under mystical mind control? I'm shocked Seraphin came in dead last, considering the show also gave us Tara the Screeching Brat and Akemi the Lying, Soul-Stealing B*tch. But okay. I'm going on the assumption that Seraphin wasn't under Dahak's mind control in the beginning. I imagine she ran into someone, like a priest or someone already under Dahak's control, who told her about this wonderful new god who was going to bring peace and love and pink baby unicorns back to the world, and sweep away the useless Olympians. Then once she joined, the mind control began, probably slowly at first, and then overtly, until she was willing to die to bring Hope forth. The usual cultist highjinks. ha! I love the cultist highjinks remark. Who needs Dahak when Hera is almost as evil anyway? Here's a link to the Rate-A-Character list: http://theroaringmouse.net/rax/rateachar.htm In order to make the list, I believe a character had to be in two or more episodes, so I don't see Akemi on it. (In fact, I barely remember her myself) However, Seraphin got trounced in the polls by all characters who ever appeared including Grendel, Arman, and yes even Tara. Theodorus is second to last, and I think he deserved to be much higher myself. He was far cooler than Arman or Pao Tsu. ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away." Last Edited By: ApollotheArcher 01/04/09 8:31 PM. Edited 1 times.

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