Breaking the lock on my door doesn't make your home any more secure.I love that quote. LOVE it!
I really enjoyed what Melissa had to say as well. Good for her. We need celebrities to speak out, we need that exposure.

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Xenasgrrl |
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Breaking the lock on my door doesn't make your home any more secure.I love that quote. LOVE it! I really enjoyed what Melissa had to say as well. Good for her. We need celebrities to speak out, we need that exposure.
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LadyKate63 |
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That's a very good comment from Harvey Fierstein.
You know, I didn't realize that domestic-partner health insurance benefits are considered taxable income under federal law. (There's a page on that here.) Unfortunately, that would not have changed even if same-sex marriage has remained legal in CA, because federal law does not recognize same-sex marriages (or civil unions) even when they are legal in states. This is because of the federal "Defense of Marriage Act" of 1996 (spearheaded, incidentally, by Bill Clinton). Obama has promised to repeal it. I guess we'll see what happens -- I really hope that the passage of Prop 8 and the gay marriage bans in the two other states are not going to be seen as a signal that there's no popular support for fairness for same-sex couples! Btw, trancegem, I'm a bit confused about the situation in England. Wikipedia says that same-sex marriage is illegal in the UK but civil partnerships offer all of the rights and benefits of marriage.
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Yeah, we just have civil partnerships, not marriages.
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LadyKate63 wrote:Yeah, that's true about the taxes bit. When I worked at a major private university here, I was able to get health coverage for Michelle, but I lost an extra $200 a month for this "benefit." My married co-worker didn't. Hetero folks would throw a fit if they got taxed extra like that. People don't really realize how much these laws affect.
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Xenasgrrl |
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yeah, thats the problem. People keep talking about letting individual states make these laws, but what we need are federal rights, same as hetero married
people. In Washington state they recently allowed civil partnerships or something, but it made no sense financially to most couples to do it, no federal tax
breaks, etc, so it really wasn't a big victory at all.
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TheJollyApe wrote: I am all for the rights of animals to be treated humanely. Unlike most humans, I don't see animals as being below humans in any way, so it doesn't upset me that a bill for farm animal rights was passed. What upsets me is the fact that the majority of humans. . . the ones who do see animals as being below humans. . . apparently think gay people are below animals. That makes us even lower than second-class citizens-- it implies that somehow we are sub-human.
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LadyKate63 |
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Personally, I think a lot of the benefits of marriage are discriminatory and should be abolished for everyone, with the exception of people who are
out of the job market because they are providing full-time care for small children (or other family members). I'm a self-employed person paying about 1/4
of my current income for health insurance. I really don't understand why taxpayers should subsidize special breaks for someone just because they are part
of a particular living arrangement that happens to be approved by society. The irony is that "coupled" people already have all sorts of economic
advantages over singles (it's a lot less expensive for two people to live together than for each of them to live separately), and yet they're also the
ones who get breaks from the government. Incidentally, I don't know about England but Tango tells me that in Australia, there are no tax benefits for
married couples at all. And somehow people still continue to marry.
Sorry if this is off-topic. I certainly agree that the benefits should be the same for all couples, same-sex or opposite-sex. I just question whether many of them should exist at all. Our current marriage laws and regulations are pretty archaic in many ways, in that they're designed for a time when a marriage was presumed to consist of a breadwinner husband and a nonworking wife.
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Well, as a beneficiary of that benefit, I'm not going to complain about it. But I get what you're saying. I'm not a homeowner, and that affects
what I pay and get back every April. It also bugs me that I had to have two children to get significant tax breaks. It's not *why* I had them, but I was
just as poor when I was childless as I am now and I could have used a break then too.
And.......I know that this is easy for me to say in my shoes............but as disappointed as I am in half of California's decision to discriminate so blatantly against a group of people based on sexual preference, I've also tried to keep in mind that no less than 48% of California is with us in thinking this Prop sucks. They voted to shoot it down and I think, pray, and hope that in a few short years or less, there will be just five or so percent more that will join us in saying it's not okay to discriminate based on sexual preference. Ideally, it'd be nice if the Prop were repealed by 99% of the population but I'll be happy with another 5% to 10%. |
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LadyKate63 wrote: OT: I never liked that either, and it seems like government is saying that us single persons have to pay for others' spouses or children.
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calliopes muse |
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LOL, love that sign Everhope!!!
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Xenasgrrl |
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lol...that's funny. I really loathe those bill boards that have messages from "God". Really? I wonder how much they charge God for a bill board
ad?
And couldn't he just...I don't know. Write the message in the sky? With clouds? With all those omnipotent powers?
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sofialindsay wrote:Totally sarcastic: Why not? They seem to think they can regulate who you can love and who you can marry, why would children be any different?
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LadyKate63 |
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Well, in some cases the government can regulate who can have children. There have been a few cases in which women convicted of either child abuse or
child abandonment have been ordered by the courts to have a contraceptive implant, though I believe there have been legal challenges to that. Also, I know of
at least one case in which a guy who was a chronic deadbeat dad was given a suspended jail sentence on the condition that he not father any more children, and
was then sent to jail after fathering another child. I'm not sure what I think of that. On the one hand, I really don't like the idea of the government
intruding in such a personal area. On the other hand, I can certainly see the reasoning for doing something to keep child abusers and people who breed without
taking responsibility for their children from having kids.
But that's kind of off-topic. I think that the argument for gay marriage should stress that the government should treat all couples equally, not that the government shouldn't be able to regulate who can marry whom. Because if you say that, it open the way to arguments like "if we legalize same-sex marriage, we'll have to legalize polygamy and incestuous marriages" -- if the government can't regulate who you can marry, then it shouldn't be able to forbid you to marry two or three people or to marry your sibling. (In half of all states, it's illegal to marry your first cousin.) Actually, marriage is all about the government regulating relationships -- like, if you're married, the government can tell you how much of your property you have to give your partner if you break up. So I think it's equal treatment that needs to be stressed, not regulation.
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Xenasgrrl |
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I think that's pretty much what all the supporters of same sex marriage are asking for- equal rights.
The only group I don't think should have say in legal, civil marriages are religions and churches, because it is a legal contract, NOT a religious ceremony (unless of course, people choose to have their ceremony performed in a church setting). You apply for a marriage license at the courthouse.
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LadyKate63 |
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Well, I agree with you in principle, but churches and religious organizations are allowed to speak out on all sorts of issues whether they have a religious
aspect or not. Though I do think it's a bit ... odd that they should be able to enjoy tax-exempt status while engaging in what is basically political
lobbying.
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Prop 8 news anchor special comment
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calliopes muse |
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Thanks for posting this, 4saken! I want to totally hug Keith Olbermann right now. It's wonderful to see someone with no dog in the hunt feel so passionate
about this issue. This is what I'd want to see more of from the friends and family who say they love us so much. Start at home, start at work, start in
your classes with defending those who are defenseless, like us. Yes, we are defenseless because we are a permanent minority. No matter how much we reproduce
we'll always be a minority. We have to have the support of those who love us and know us standing up for us.
After all the emotions I've been through this past week and half, I needed to see this. I needed to hear a loud voice speaking out in the dark. As a country we've come so far yet we have so far to go. So far to go...we're losing our rights, we're losing our visibility on TV, we're losing our voice and our momentum, we're losing our hope. I seriously need a Xena pick-me-up. I may have to go watch some of the more subtexty eps to feel better.
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justschtupp |
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I think LL said it best in her most recent blog, "Only love is sacred and heterosexuals don't own that."
See you prop h8te endorsers?! If Lucy Lawless says it it's true!
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JustSayNoToNutbread |
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Wow, that was ten kinds of profound.
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