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piper77		#81	[-]
Royal Posts: 5341 (11/04/08 2:21 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	just as long as the extremists are doing it i guess it's okay. the population may outnumber them, but the public isn't in the mood to fight, physically for their right to vote. 911 Families For America "Men, however, love Palin. She's Xena crossed with say, Supergirl."
piper77		#82	[-]
Royal Posts: 5342 (11/04/08 2:24 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Xenasgrrl wrote: piper77 wrote: Xenasgrrl wrote: Bluebell XWP wrote: Yay, someone has engaged me in my ramblings of a topic I despise. I'm only involved in this discussion because of that whole pressure thing happening at the moment, so, I'm feeling a bit fired up and vocal. Feel free to ignore me! anyways.... it's um...that whole participating in democracy thing, I think. And this is important, why? I never really favored doing something just because everyone else was doing it, actually I tend to do the exact opposite. Let's just say it's a personality flaw. then don't ever whine about the way our country is run, because if you don't vote and speak up, you can't complain! Here's something else I've never understood. Why in the world do people complain about what they have no control over?!?! I can safely say I don't complain (much) about the way America is run. I usually have more personal situations to deal with which usually involves getting through the day to day process of life; that tends to take up my time quite nicely. Oh just to clarify the "much" part, I might voice a negative opinion, in the form of "that's totally stupid" when our country does something stupid but then I'm over it. Again, not much point in dwelling on things I have no control over. lol...no, I totally get not wanting to vote or being pressured to. There were times in the past when I didn't, either. I am just too invested in this election not to vote. Definitely not doing it just cuz everyone else is. And I guess I'm just more aware of things going on now, being a lesbian, about rights and laws being changed and stuff. I have to believe that things can and will change and that by voting maybe I can help have some control over how things are. But I also know the feeling of not having any control over the way the country is being run (I've felt that way for the past 7 years!) i have to say i feel for gays and lesbians in the country, because both candidates running are against same sex marriages. just yesterday i heard obama say that he thinks that marriage is only reserved for a man and a woman. I'll just say one thing about this topic because its been discussed to death here before, but I'm confident Obama would bring change everywhere, including gay rights- no not neccessarily gay marriage but certainly not taking away more rights or changing the Constitution to discriminate against us, or supporting a federal marriage amendment, like Sarah Palin does. if that was me, and my sole purpose for voting for candidate was based on that, i would vote independent. they're more likely to support same sex marriages than any major candidate will. also, at the state level, it is more than likely for full rights to everyone who wants to get married than at the national level. 911 Families For America "Men, however, love Palin. She's Xena crossed with say, Supergirl." Last Edited By: piper77 11/04/08 2:27 PM. Edited 1 times.
calliopes muse		#83	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1714 (11/04/08 2:32 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Why is that everytime someone says the word "lesbian" or "gay" you have to bring up the marriage issue AGAIN, Piper? I don't remember Xenasgrrl even mentioning that topic so why bring it up? And for the record, check this out: http://www.pamshouseblend...showDiary.do?diaryId=7959 Obama's response to his opinion on Prop 8: "I think it's unnecessary. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them." ...In addition to expressing his opposition to Proposition 8, Obama said he believes and supports "strong civil unions ... that provide legal rights to same-sex couples [so] that they can visit each other in the hospital if they get sick, [so] they can transfer property to each other. If they've got benefits, they can make sure those benefits apply to their partners. I think that's the direction we need to go in. I think young people are ahead of the curve on this for the most part. Their attitude, generally, is that we should be respectful of all people, and that's the kind of politics I want to practice." And THAT'S the kind of person I want running this country. Piper, the bottom line is, you aren't gay and you have no idea what it's like to be gay. Therefore, you have no right to speak on it, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't needlessly bring up unrelated topics just to pick a fight. WITHOUT GABRIELLE, THERE WOULD BE NO XENA!!! Proud member of the PLA! Long live Queen Gabrielle! Fanfic Writer and Vidmaker Thanks to Shenanigan for the awesome scroll and to Dahllaz to the kickin' keeper!
TheNextGabrielle		#84	[-]
Three Star General Posts: 2699 (11/04/08 2:38 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's my opinion on the election. I swear, at my school, all the students have seemed to behave like a cult. We had the creator of Facebook come and talk about why you should vote for Obama. (The actual discussion was suppose to be about facebook and social networking but he talked about Obama for 4/5th of the time.) I don't believe in bashing one side and not the other. Each candidate has their faults. I don't believe that one is better then the other. I support McCain and his view on economy and I support Obama and his view on liberal rights. But I see both sides attack each other and forget the fact that either candidate will solve all of the nation's problems. So in the end, I guess its all about what you want the most and who you most agree on. Don't vote for the party. Vote for the person. And sadly to say, people DO scare people into voting. It's ridiculous. "Whatever happens, know that my love for you is endless." Last Edited By: TheNextGabrielle 11/04/08 2:43 PM. Edited 1 times.
piper77		#85	[-]
Royal Posts: 5344 (11/04/08 2:46 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	calliopes muse wrote: Why is that everytime someone says the word "lesbian" or "gay" you have to bring up the marriage issue AGAIN, Piper? I don't remember Xenasgrrl even mentioning that topic so why bring it up? And for the record, check this out: http://www.pamshouseblend...showDiary.do?diaryId=7959 Obama's response to his opinion on Prop 8: "I think it's unnecessary. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them." ...In addition to expressing his opposition to Proposition 8, Obama said he believes and supports "strong civil unions ... that provide legal rights to same-sex couples [so] that they can visit each other in the hospital if they get sick, [so] they can transfer property to each other. If they've got benefits, they can make sure those benefits apply to their partners. I think that's the direction we need to go in. I think young people are ahead of the curve on this for the most part. Their attitude, generally, is that we should be respectful of all people, and that's the kind of politics I want to practice." And THAT'S the kind of person I want running this country. Piper, the bottom line is, you aren't gay and you have no idea what it's like to be gay. Therefore, you have no right to speak on it, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't needlessly bring up unrelated topics just to pick a fight. I happen to be for same sex marriage, so please don't assume anything. I also realize that it is more likely that state laws can be passed than at the national level in support of it. Even if laws are passed, it's the congress that votes for it not the President and even more less than likely the Vice President. I brought it up because Xenasgrrl mentioned that she's a lesbian and rights in same sentence. 911 Families For America "Men, however, love Palin. She's Xena crossed with say, Supergirl."
Sais 2 Cool		#86	[-]
Moderator One Star General Posts: 1134 (11/04/08 2:48 PM) Champion of Soulmatedness More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Again, not much point in dwelling on things I have no control over. bluebell, sorry -- i have to disagree with you on this. if everyone felt as you did nothing would ever change. the suffrage movement was started in the 1840's because a group of women with no rights and no voice decided to speak out and demand the right to vote. if those women had felt as you did women these days would not be allowed to vote, to own property and would be at the mercy of the good graces of their husbands. what's that saying? all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing (or something like along those lines...) and i think that the 2000 election in florida proved that every vote counts.
TheJollyApe		#87	[-]
Royal Posts: 3740 (11/04/08 2:52 PM) XOC Forum Host More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	everhope wrote: At the end of the day you're always going to get people on BOTH sides who indulge in extreme behaviour. To say it is one sided is just plain ridiculous. It's human nature... but that doesn't mean ALL of us do it. I'd say it's a very VERY small percentage. We all have our opinions but I wish people would stop making blind statements concerning either republicans or democrats. Some extremists on one side does not make everyboy or even a large percentage of that parties supporters, hooligans. Amen to that. But I will say (and I'll probably be told off as well), you can feel sorry for us or whatever, but the fact of the matter is, you don't get it. Heterosexuals don't understand what it's like not to have basic human rights like marriage and adoption. The marjority of the population probably never will. Have you listened/read Pastor Wright's sermons? It's really interesting and on the exact same line (only different). I don't personally agree with it, but makes for good thought fodder. thejollyape // theoddballs Last Edited By: TheJollyApe 11/04/08 2:54 PM. Edited 1 times.
sofialindsay		#88	[-]
Three Star General Posts: 1367 (11/04/08 2:53 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	piper77 wrote: calliopes muse wrote: Why is that everytime someone says the word "lesbian" or "gay" you have to bring up the marriage issue AGAIN, Piper? I don't remember Xenasgrrl even mentioning that topic so why bring it up? And for the record, check this out: http://www.pamshouseblend...showDiary.do?diaryId=7959 Obama's response to his opinion on Prop 8: "I think it's unnecessary. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them." ...In addition to expressing his opposition to Proposition 8, Obama said he believes and supports "strong civil unions ... that provide legal rights to same-sex couples [so] that they can visit each other in the hospital if they get sick, [so] they can transfer property to each other. If they've got benefits, they can make sure those benefits apply to their partners. I think that's the direction we need to go in. I think young people are ahead of the curve on this for the most part. Their attitude, generally, is that we should be respectful of all people, and that's the kind of politics I want to practice." And THAT'S the kind of person I want running this country. Piper, the bottom line is, you aren't gay and you have no idea what it's like to be gay. Therefore, you have no right to speak on it, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't needlessly bring up unrelated topics just to pick a fight. I happen to be for same sex marriage, so please don't assume anything. I also realize that it is more likely that state laws can be passed than at the national level in support of it. Even if laws are passed, it's the congress that votes for it not the President and even more less than likely the Vice President. I brought it up because Xenasgrrl mentioned that she's a lesbian and rights in same sentence. You really don't get it Piper, do you? "Lesbian" and "rights" doesn't automatically mean we want to discuss our lifestyles every single time it's brought up. I actually find that line of thought a bit offensive, to be honest. You're trying to turn being gay into a reason to argue for/against something. I don't think you realize that all we ever want is for the world to leave us alone with the ones we love. Yes, many of us are gay here, but that's not all we are. Shockingly enough, I would never vote for McCain for his issues on Drugs, Crime, and Guns. So yes, I'm a lesbian. Yes, I want my damn rights, BUT that's not all I am. And I find it highly offensive that you think just because one says they're gay/lesbian, it automatically opens the door up for a political discussion about how we can't have our rights. Yes, we get the picture perfectly, we're living it! We don't need people constantly reminding us! That being said, I think it's time I take a leave from this discussion! "Yes, the PLA ... Kings and Queens of pillow fighting and hug giving ... tackling happy ... tickle wielding tribe ... Usually intoxicated!! Oh, we're so scary!" -Motto for the PLA Palace Exploration Expedition. Last Edited By: sofialindsay 11/04/08 2:56 PM. Edited 1 times.
calliopes muse		#89	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1715 (11/04/08 2:55 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yeah, what Sofia said! WITHOUT GABRIELLE, THERE WOULD BE NO XENA!!! Proud member of the PLA! Long live Queen Gabrielle! Fanfic Writer and Vidmaker Thanks to Shenanigan for the awesome scroll and to Dahllaz to the kickin' keeper!
Xenasgrrl		#90	[-]
Olympian Posts: 4264 (11/04/08 2:56 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In my opinion, voting for an Independent cadidate is like throwing a vote away...it may be a symbolic political statement, but they're not going to win. And I think the state by state laws on gay marriage is kind of ridiculous. If I get married in Massachsettes, and then move to Arizona, my marriage in null and void? It just makes no sense, but for now, I just hope that more and more states continue to legalize it. I'm glad to hear you're for gay marriage Piper, I had no idea until now. And TNG, wow...I just can't imagine anyone ever scaring me into voting for anything I didn't want to. ~PLA banner by Shen~ ~Keepership banner by Sais08~~sig courtesy of Zaudeen~ Userbar made by Leigh~thank you sweetie
piper77		#91	[-]
Royal Posts: 5345 (11/04/08 2:59 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	sofialindsay wrote: piper77 wrote: calliopes muse wrote: Why is that everytime someone says the word "lesbian" or "gay" you have to bring up the marriage issue AGAIN, Piper? I don't remember Xenasgrrl even mentioning that topic so why bring it up? And for the record, check this out: http://www.pamshouseblend...showDiary.do?diaryId=7959 Obama's response to his opinion on Prop 8: "I think it's unnecessary. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage. But when you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don't contract them." ...In addition to expressing his opposition to Proposition 8, Obama said he believes and supports "strong civil unions ... that provide legal rights to same-sex couples [so] that they can visit each other in the hospital if they get sick, [so] they can transfer property to each other. If they've got benefits, they can make sure those benefits apply to their partners. I think that's the direction we need to go in. I think young people are ahead of the curve on this for the most part. Their attitude, generally, is that we should be respectful of all people, and that's the kind of politics I want to practice." And THAT'S the kind of person I want running this country. Piper, the bottom line is, you aren't gay and you have no idea what it's like to be gay. Therefore, you have no right to speak on it, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't needlessly bring up unrelated topics just to pick a fight. I happen to be for same sex marriage, so please don't assume anything. I also realize that it is more likely that state laws can be passed than at the national level in support of it. Even if laws are passed, it's the congress that votes for it not the President and even more less than likely the Vice President. I brought it up because Xenasgrrl mentioned that she's a lesbian and rights in same sentence. You really don't get it Piper, do you? "Lesbian" and "rights" doesn't automatically mean we want to discuss our lifestyles every single time it's brought up. I actually find that line of thought a bit offensive, to be honest. You're trying to turn being gay into a reason to argue for/against something. I don't think you realize that all we ever want is for the world to leave us alone with the ones we love. Yes, many of us are gay here, but that's not all we are. Shockingly enough, I would never vote for McCain for his issues on Drugs, Crime, and Guns. So yes, I'm a lesbian. Yes, I want my damn rights, BUT that's not all I am. And I find it highly offensive that you think just because one says they're gay/lesbian, it automatically opens the door up for a political discussion about how we can't have our rights. Yes, we get the picture perfectly, we're living it! We don't need people constantly reminding us! It's always brought up on here so why not? Really, what else would she be talking about? I can't be support of gay rights because I'm not gay, so I can talk about it? Does that also mean that I also support a woman's right to chose I can't talk about neither because I'm a man? There are many Republicans like me who support those two things and are voting for McCain. Some of them are on this board. 911 Families For America "Men, however, love Palin. She's Xena crossed with say, Supergirl."
calliopes muse		#92	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1716 (11/04/08 3:03 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Xenasgrrl wrote: I'm glad to hear you're for gay marriage Piper, I had no idea until now. I have to say that I never would have guessed it either, Piper. You always seem to be looking for an opportunity to take a dig. Believe me when I say, that because we live with inequality everyday, that we know what the hell we're doing. We vote the way that is best for us and our families, just like everyone else does. Right now, I'll take a man who says he supports civil unions over one who says he'll support a federal marriage amendment. I just get tired of being treated like I don't know anything about my own situation and that's the way your comment was coming across to me. WITHOUT GABRIELLE, THERE WOULD BE NO XENA!!! Proud member of the PLA! Long live Queen Gabrielle! Fanfic Writer and Vidmaker Thanks to Shenanigan for the awesome scroll and to Dahllaz to the kickin' keeper!
calliopes muse		#93	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1717 (11/04/08 3:04 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Okay, I just tried to be nice and now I'm really sorry I did. WITHOUT GABRIELLE, THERE WOULD BE NO XENA!!! Proud member of the PLA! Long live Queen Gabrielle! Fanfic Writer and Vidmaker Thanks to Shenanigan for the awesome scroll and to Dahllaz to the kickin' keeper!
piper77		#94	[-]
Royal Posts: 5346 (11/04/08 3:08 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	calliopes muse wrote: Xenasgrrl wrote: I'm glad to hear you're for gay marriage Piper, I had no idea until now. I have to say that I never would have guessed it either, Piper. You always seem to be looking for an opportunity to take a dig. Believe me when I say, that because we live with inequality everyday, that we know what the hell we're doing. We vote the way that is best for us and our families, just like everyone else does. Right now, I'll take a man who says he supports civil unions over one who says he'll support a federal marriage amendment. I just get tired of being treated like I don't know anything about my own situation and that's the way your comment was coming across to me. I don't think anybody in this election has come out against civil unions. I know Palin supports an amendment, but just because she supports it doesn't mean diddly, because the congress would have to pass it. 911 Families For America "Men, however, love Palin. She's Xena crossed with say, Supergirl."
TheNextGabrielle		#95	[-]
Three Star General Posts: 2700 (11/04/08 3:10 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Heterosexuals don't understand what it's like not to have basic human rights like marriage and adoption. ^__^ Maybe not from experience but they can certainly understand why people want it and why the country needs to accept the ideas. Nevertheless, it's nice to have all certain kinds of people fighting for a cause. I just can't imagine anyone ever scaring me into voting for anything I didn't want to. I know. A few of my friends are voting for Obama just based on because they would be looked down upon because they're not with the majority. lol I joked around and said I'm voting for McCain to prove a point. They didn't find that very funny though. lol "Whatever happens, know that my love for you is endless."
calliopes muse		#96	[-]
One Star General Posts: 1718 (11/04/08 3:11 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	headdesk Yeah, this is what I get for being nice for a moment. You don't get it, you never will. You won't listen, and you never will. I have to step away from this thread because I'm going to get banned if I say much more. WITHOUT GABRIELLE, THERE WOULD BE NO XENA!!! Proud member of the PLA! Long live Queen Gabrielle! Fanfic Writer and Vidmaker Thanks to Shenanigan for the awesome scroll and to Dahllaz to the kickin' keeper!
Xenasgrrl		#97	[-]
Olympian Posts: 4265 (11/04/08 3:13 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	TheNextGabrielle wrote: Heterosexuals don't understand what it's like not to have basic human rights like marriage and adoption. ^__^ Maybe not from experience but they can certainly understand why people want it and why the country needs to accept the ideas. Nevertheless, it's nice to have all certain kinds of people fighting for a cause. I just can't imagine anyone ever scaring me into voting for anything I didn't want to. I know. A few of my friends are voting for Obama just based on because they would be looked down upon because they're not with the majority. lol I joked around and said I'm voting for McCain to prove a point. They didn't find that very funny though. lol The thing is, nobody knows what you voted for. You're the only one in your voting booth. So you could lie and say you're voting for someone to get people to stop bugging you, but in the end anyone can vote for anyone they want and nobody will know the difference. ~PLA banner by Shen~ ~Keepership banner by Sais08~~sig courtesy of Zaudeen~ Userbar made by Leigh~thank you sweetie
TheJollyApe		#98	[-]
Royal Posts: 3742 (11/04/08 3:13 PM) XOC Forum Host More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	TheNextGabrielle wrote: Heterosexuals don't understand what it's like not to have basic human rights like marriage and adoption. ^__^ Maybe not from experience but they can certainly understand why people want it and why the country needs to accept the ideas. Nevertheless, it's nice to have all certain kinds of people fighting for a cause. Indeed. Just look at Steven Sears recent passionate text on Prop 8. And I personally think that disregarding anyone just because they are not in the exact same shoes does us all a grave injustice. thejollyape // theoddballs
TheNextGabrielle		#99	[-]
Three Star General Posts: 2701 (11/04/08 3:17 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Xenasgrrl wrote: TheNextGabrielle wrote: Heterosexuals don't understand what it's like not to have basic human rights like marriage and adoption. ^__^ Maybe not from experience but they can certainly understand why people want it and why the country needs to accept the ideas. Nevertheless, it's nice to have all certain kinds of people fighting for a cause. I just can't imagine anyone ever scaring me into voting for anything I didn't want to. I know. A few of my friends are voting for Obama just based on because they would be looked down upon because they're not with the majority. lol I joked around and said I'm voting for McCain to prove a point. They didn't find that very funny though. lol The thing is, nobody knows what you voted for. You're the only one in your voting booth. So you could lie and say you're voting for someone to get people to stop bugging you, but in the end anyone can vote for anyone they want and nobody will know the difference. Exactly! There's a reason why we don't count votes on people raising hands. ...that would be a lot of hands... "Whatever happens, know that my love for you is endless."
sofialindsay		#100	[-]
Three Star General Posts: 1368 (11/04/08 3:18 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Actually Piper, you were the one who brought it up in this case. Obviously, I'm not speaking for XG, but again I say you seem to have missed the entire point of my post which was: Someone saying they're gay, doesn't mean they want to have a political discussion over same-sex marriages. You brought up how the candidates felt about them, which I think many people know tends to cause tension across the board. I'm to the point I think you're bringing up things for the sole purpose of picking an argument with those you know feel strongly for something. Personally, I don't care if American's vote for Mickey Mouse, with Goofy as a running mate! I don't care who anyone votes for, as long as they vote. I know that whoever I vote for, I'll be able to sleep at night, so that's all that matters to me. I'll just be glad when this election is over! Calliope, I'm right behind you. "Yes, the PLA ... Kings and Queens of pillow fighting and hug giving ... tackling happy ... tickle wielding tribe ... Usually intoxicated!! Oh, we're so scary!" -Motto for the PLA Palace Exploration Expedition.

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