What did you think about this ep as far as character development, drama, action, plot, and dialogue?
What were your favorite/least favorite lines or scenes?
What would you rate the ep on a scale of 1-10 chakrams?

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Now we know how Lucifer really got sent to Hell!
What did you think about this ep as far as character development, drama, action, plot, and dialogue? What were your favorite/least favorite lines or scenes? What would you rate the ep on a scale of 1-10 chakrams?
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Heart of Darkness is an ep that was made for one reason, and one reason only - TPTB knew that the ratings for their series were in decline and decided that they needed a skin show to try to lure some casual viewers back. If you have to trash your principal characters in the process, so be it, as long as you can get them in revealing costumes and orgy scenes. The only character development we get in this one is the knowledge that Xena is perfectly willing to sell someone else out to save her own *ss, and that's a bit of information I would have gladly foregone. At one time, I berated Emily Skopov for this screenplay, but after seeing how TGYK was completely changed from her original conception, I'm now willing to give her the benefit of the doubt - she may have written something far different from what ended up on the TV screen. Another week, another stupid plot construct, this time centered on the Seven Deadly Sins. What this particular piece of medieval Catholic theology has to do with X:WP, or why Xena would know about them, we never find out - it's just tossed in to provide a cheap escape clause for Our Hero to escape doing duty as the Ruler of Hell. I hate it when a TV show's creative staff engages in compound folly - the whole "whoever kills the King of Hell must rule in his stead" deal was dumb to begin with, but "tricking an archangel into committing the Seven Deadly Sins so he goes to Hell instead" is much, much dumber. Naturally, the writers stack the deck against Lucifer, starting with his name, but the fact remains that Xena decides that he gets to go to Hell in her place, not for the Greater Good or to protect her friends and family, but simply because she doesn't wanna go. Of course, it's all supposed to be "right" in the end, as Bad Lucifer becomes Satan and Xena is reunited with her cloying companions, but that's the sort of storyline that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Oh, and the suggestion that this was all a big set-up by Michael to rid himself of an obstreperous presence in Lucifer was lovely as well - if the GOL really is the divine analog to a Mafia don and the archangels are his quarreling capos, what does that say about Xena's and Eve's roles in the latter part of S5? Odd that TPTB decided to throw in the Seven Deadly Sins, as the setting of this ep largely negates them. According to the storyline, the Great Big Hole to Hell swells up the cheesy SFX black-heartedness in all of us, causing us to be bad. Unfortunately, Catholic theology teaches that Man has free will, and sin arises when Man chooses wrongly. If Evil is some sort of malign force dwelling in all of us that can be controlled by outside entities, free will doesn't exist, and therefore neither can "sin." Satan is the Great Tempter, not the Master Button-Pusher - those who serve him do so of their own volition. Then again, by this time TPTB had made such a miserable hash of the theological elements they'd so blithely introduced in S5 that it's probably unfair to expect them to figure this one out. BTW, in case anyone needs a reminder, the Seven Mortal Sins are Pride, Gluttony, Lust, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Greed - Pride, Lust and Wrath are definitely covered, Envy is addressed (pretty clumsily), and I suppose Gluttony may be represented by whatever Xena was feeding Lucifer in the early going, but I never saw Sloth, and Greed is dubious as well - it's generally defined in terms of wealth, which isn't too meaningful to angelic beings. Xena does tempt Lucifer with power, but that's different than Greed as a mortal sin - it's more akin to Pride. As I pointed out in my review of HOA, Adrienne Wilkinson was probably wondering just how smart she'd been to sign that RenPics contract when she got her first two S6 assignments. Eve was always a problem for the S6 writers, but this ep shares honors with HOA as utterly wrecking whatever interest may have existed in the character. When she's not preaching to the black-hearted residents of Amphipolis, Eve is berating an indifferent Lucifer, getting walloped with a fish symbol (why would this symbol be associated with GOL worship? Christ never existed in this world!) or being pursued by a Mommy with blood in her eye. The worst is saved for last, when after being beaten, chased and abused for 40 minutes, Eve tells Xena she shouldn't have doubted her! Xena responds with a sickening homily about the "power of love to change lives," a theme that had nothing whatsoever to do with this ep. If I'd been Eve, I would have belted Xena right in her sanctimonious chops, preferably with the biggest sword I could find. Gab's a big nothing in this ep, much as in HOA - a meat puppet for whatever orgy scene or nastiness the writers thought up next. Xena's claim at the end of the ep that whenever she was on the verge of losing control, she thought of Gab and that "led her home" was self-serving slop on the part of the writers - there was certainly nothing in the ep to suggest that Xena was thinking about anyone but herself. Gab's response - "Don't get all emotional on me, Xena" - sounded appropriately cynical to me (although the writers may not have intended it that way). Virgil's even more of a nothing than Gab, so I won't bother discussing him. Actually, now that I think of it, he had one good moment, when he told Eve that he'd been asking Eli why he picked his father's murderer to be the messenger. If that had been combined with the Evil Livia scene in HOA, it might have formed the nucleus of a pretty good ep, rather than the dreck we ended up with. One mark of a series in serious creative decline is an increasing willingness on the part of writers and creative staffers to pander to various elements of their fanbase, and this ep was full of pandering. People want to see Gab get sexy? OK, let's get her snogging with Virgil - whoops, don't want to piss off the subtext fans too much, so let's put in a Xena/Gab poledance! Oh, and in the final scene, let's make sure Xena throws lots of semi-jealous glances Gab's and Virgil's way! Meanwhile, let's do an Evil Xena reprise so we can have LL getting hot-'n-heavy with the Disposable Male Guest Star of the Week! Oh, yes, and let's have Xena ask Lucifer, "May I call you Lucy?" - wink, wink, nudge, nudge! As a heterosexual male, I freely admit that Lucy Lawless and Renee O'Connor are beautiful women who look very appealing in scanty outfits - I just wish that it had been in service of a better story. For that matter, Adrienne Wilkinson is very sexy as well in her Eve bikini - too bad that being continually bashed and preaching screechily tends to detract from that quality. Mark Beesley appeared to enjoy shooting half-naked women in orgy scenes - imagine that! :) He does his usual good job with the fight scenes, although only the first one is particularly interesting - the Lucifer/Satan vs Xena fight at the end is strictly by-the-numbers, with Satan doing a wirework flying routine that doesn't look any more convincing than Mephistopheles' in HOA. There were a few good lines in this one, mostly from Xena (Evil Xena always seems to inspire writers) - Gab: Xena? Xena, we've got a problem. Xena: Let me guess - it's huge and potentially devastating. Lucifer: You twist my words. Xena: No, I straighten them out. My rating? 4/10 chakrams - the characters hit rock-bottom here, and the franchise was showing all the symptoms of creative bankruptcy. There was going to have to be a lot of digging to get the show out of this hole - fortunately, such digging would start happening later in the season.
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Lucy Lawless and Renee O'Connor are beautiful women who look very appealing in scanty outfits - I just wish that it had been in service of a better story.
Oh yeah, I agree CasualFan. I must confess that 'Heart of Darkness' isn't particularly one of my favourite episodes from season 6, definitely it isn't. I feel a little embarrassed watching this episode, especially
if I had to see it with a person that is not a fan of the show or doesn't know it. Maybe 4/10 too, nice outfits
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What did you think about this ep as far as character development, drama, action, plot, and dialogue?
How about sinking like the Titanic? I agree with CasualFan that HoD was the creative staff showing their "oh another season..." It is also upsetting, knowing some of the lackluster quality of season six, that Rob wanted to do a seventh season. Thankfully, Lucy and Renee were like "Uh no..." Luckily, the decision was made for them by the studio. The plot was contrived and unappealing. Let's face it, the seven deadly sins is old. And to have Xena escape her "duty" was well, boring and predictable. I mean, we all knew that she wasn't about to serve in Hell (again!). The whole "hole causing people to be evil" was boring. Seriously, the show has shown us time and time again that man has free will and that he (or she) choses to be either good or bad. UGH! What were your favorite/least favorite lines or scenes? Um.... I'd have to say... Gab: Xena, we got a problem. Xena: Let me guess - it's huge and potentially devastating. What would you rate the ep on a scale of 1-10 chakrams? 2 out of 10 |
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Naturally, the writers stack the deck against Lucifer, starting with his name, but the fact remains that Xena decides that he gets to go to Hell in her place, not for the Greater Good or to protect her friends and family, but simply because she doesn't wanna go.Instead of tricking Lucifer and sending him to Hell, how would you have liked to see Xena get out of the situation? It's not as if Xena killed Mephistopheles for the fun of it; she did have a valid reason for getting rid of him. Catholic theology has to do with X:WP, or why Xena would know about them, we never find out - it's just tossed in to provide a cheap escape clause for Our Hero to escape doing duty as the Ruler of Hell.Maybe Eve happened to tell Xena about the seven sins? After travelling with the Messenger of Eli for quite some time, Xena (and Gabrielle) were bound to learn quite a bit about Eve's new religion.
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Yes, Xena did have a valid reason for getting rid of Mephi. However, she did trick someone else into going in her place as the ruler of Hell. Not exactly the
good warrior thing to do. Even Michael says as much. (Not that we can trust him anyways.) But alas, this episode is just one of many of those that was just
plain bad...
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However, she did trick someone else into going in her place as the ruler of Hell. Not exactly the good warrior thing to do. Even Michael says as much.I don't think there was anything good that Xena could have done. If she went to Hell she would have given up her life when she didn't deserve to. What would she have accomplished there anyway? Yes, manipulating Lucifer was a shady gesture but at least she was tricking someone who wasn't exactly a kind soul.
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I had to wipe a few layers of dust off the DVD to watch Heart of Darkness. Definitely not one of my favorites. I think I've only
watched it twice and that was enough. I'm afraid I won't have many good things to say.
So Xena doesn't want to take her place as the rightful ruler of hell so she finds a patsy to take her throne for her. This episode has already lost me. What a trashing of Xena's character. Are we to believe that she hatched her plan to have Lucifer take her place because her own heart had grown evil? If that's the case then why wouldn't she want to rule Hell herself. If she still had good in her, then I can't believe she would choose someone else to take her place simply because he'd displayed a little arrogance. If a mortal can rule hell, there are plenty of evil warlords she could have seduced to take her place. She doesn't have the same x-ray vision that Eve has so how could she know that Lucifer was rotten to the core. I also find it bothersome that an as-yet-untainted Gabrielle apparently has little to no issue with this plan to corrupt an angel just to get Xena of the hook. Whatever happened to the Greater Good? Do Archangels have brains? Because Lucifer certainly didn't appear to have one. At the picnic, he's falling for Xena's
proposal use her power to make him the envy of all the angels. His response is "you make an enticing offer" without asking for any details about how
exactly as an Earth-bound mortal, she was going to achieve this. She has the power to kill gods and angels, not to get them promoted through the ranks.
She didn't mention her plan to have them rule the world together until much later so what exactly was so enticing. Definitely
didn't like that girly whimper from Xena when Lucifer grabbed her wrist. This is a woman who has been crucified with barely a sound.
On to the orgy. I'm not sure what the purpose of the erotic X/G dance was. Was it supposed to get Lucifer turned on (what, Xena alone wasn't enough to do the trick?) or to provide a segment of the audience a huge subtext moment while allowing another segment to deny it as being real since Xena and Gabrielle were both wildly out of character at the time. I think if I were a subber, while enjoying the visual display, I would likely be insulted that the only time TPTB portray an incredibly erotic moment between the two such as this is when they're both under the influence of evil. Maybe the jealous moments later were supposed to make up for this. I didn't understand the reason that Virgil and Gabrielle were never shown kissing. Does that go beyond the threshold of sexuality that is permitted for a post-Perdicus Gabrielle? She's got her lips and hands all over Virgil but yee gads, their lips touching would just be unforgivable. Xena spent half the episode lip-locked with Lucifer, why not give the G/V shippers a treat especially since it can all be explained away at the end. I thought the exchange between Xena and Gabrielle at the end was odd. Gabrielle saying she thought she'd lost Xena for a minute there and Xena's response that every time she felt herself losing control, she thought of Gabrielle didn't ring true to me at all. Neither one of them seemed to have any awareness like that whatsoever when under the evil influence. Just so one doesn't think I hated everything about this episode, there were a few moments I liked such as the opening and closing scene fights between Xena and Lucifer which I thought were very well done. Also enjoyed the moment when the villager apparently hadn't received the memo that nobody touches Argo. Xena's leather coat was nice. Xena's sarcastic "huge and potentially devastating" line was funny as was the "besmirched, is that even a real word?" Quick Hits: -I don't think I would find having a pointy wooden mallet scraped across my clothed back to be one of the most sensuous pleasures I'd ever received. I'll take a Swedish massage over an Egyptian one any day. -"Lucy" uggh spare me. I really hate obvious inside jokes. They're meant to be cute but all they do is take me right out of the moment. -Same problem with the "get the hell out of my kitchen" line. I know X:WP uses modern language but this one was jarring. Are we to infer that Harry S Truman stole the line from the Xena scrolls?!?!? -Could someone put out an APB on the sexual chemistry between "Lucy" and Lucy because I certainly didn't see any. -Gabrielle cold-cocking Eve came an episode too late. I was begging for her to do that during the incessant casting evil out chants. -Its possible I missed it but where was Lucifer's sin of Greed? Perhaps there is a deleted scene where Xena helps Lucifer set up a Personal Injury lawfirm in Amphipolis. -Virgil's line about Xena saving him from making a mistake of a lifetime and then looking at Gabrielle puzzled me. Did he mean getting together with her? If I were Gabrielle, I think I'd be pretty insulted by that. Okay, back to the shelf to collect more dust. I'm feeling generous so I'll give it 3 out of 10.
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Instead of tricking Lucifer and sending him to Hell, how would you have liked to see Xena get out of the situation? It's
not as if Xena killed Mephistopheles for the fun of it; she did have a valid reason for getting rid of him.
Here's an idea - instead of a plot device that makes use of the most repellent aspects of the human character, how about one that turns FA on its head and makes self-sacrifice the key to redemption rather than damnation? As far as I'm concerned, sending someone to Hell in your stead makes you pretty good Hell-bait yourself, regardless of your rationale in doing it. Surely the writers could have come up with a plot centered around Xena's willingness to endure Hellfire yet again to save her hometown and family, with Lucifer playing the lead role in damning himself - for all I know, Skopov's original draft may have done just that. It probably didn't supply enough opportunities for soft-core sex and orgy scenes, though so it had to be scrapped.
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Its possible I've entered this topic at a bad time
cuz I liked this episode and compliment
the creative usage of the seven deadlies.
First, Xena did not wrongly use Lucifer to take her place instead she proceeded on a course to peel off Lucifer's layers like you'd peel an onion unveiling his disguise, revealing the real monster beneath who btw was the rightful ruler of hell, not her. I did not accept Mephistopheles, hell's rule as simply the necessary, right solution that whoever killed him must take his throne--I don't think so. What I do accept more that I trusted in this episode was Xena's character is clearly intended to be a hero not ruler of hell. She killed Mephistopheles discovering he was responsible for driving her mother mad causing people to believe Cyrene was a witch, peoples crops failed and they burned Cyrene at the stake--so any rule of his is no rule of mine. Xena's actions against Lucifer = temptation but he had to bite. Arch-Angel Michael even has his own agenda, concerned the first time Xena went to hell she almost captured heaven so it doesnt sound like he wants XEna down there again. He does however realize its heaven's duty to do something about "pure evil streaming out of that portal." That's the real dilemma, not should or should not Xena sit the throne of hell. Eve is the only one who sees what is happening (guess her baptism exempted her from darkness particles invading her heart). She explains that portal is a magnet drawing people to it, filling their hearts with darkness, in other words bringing hell on earth--A battle of good and evil except this time its not in eternity as it was in Fallen Angel but on earth. While Michael clearly doesn't want to confront Xena again luckily along comes the arrogant, ladder climbing) Lucifer who Michael says is "perfect for the job" in other words as Xena tells us later, Michael uses Lucifer to do his dirty work. It's Xena that gets used not Lucifer. Its a creative plot utilizing the seven deadlies to reach a solution for evil streaming out a portal to hell which btw has formerly been used in film, (1967-Bedazzled starring Raquel Welch & 1995 Se7en, a film starring Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman) -see Wikipedia for more inspired works using the seven deadlies. They did an excellent job creating suspense, wondering if Xena had completely yielded to evil or if she was just carrying out her plan. Xena's only actions were putting forth temptation but it was Lucifer himself who caved into his desires. The same Lucifer who claimed his faith and devotion moved him up in the ranks to an impending promotion to Serafin (sounded like a self-serving power hungry angel at best, from the get-go--oh yea, he was already corrupt and all Xena did was reveal it). There are several fun, interesting, enticing scenes which unfold and I especially enjoyed the dialogue between Xena and Eve -several times there was helarious exchanges between them ("Eve, sweetheart --if you can't stand the heat--then maybe you should get the hell out of my kitchen !"). Ahh --The "Orgy"--on a show I already know launched a female character who seduced Iolaus, hot-tub scenes; Xena laying on a bed in a stunning red low-cut dress attempting to seduce Caesar; she sports around in a very short leather costume that enhances her breasts which Gabrielle even says, "it's not like your breasts aren't dangerous enough"; a completely stripped nude, Xena in S3, The Furies; a Xena who is trotted out/carried in Caesar's palace in red provocative dress in When in Rome; Xena stripped of her clothes again by Cyane (Adventures of the Sin Trade), not to mention an evolving shorter costumes for Gabrielle who's quite lovely as well in Paradise Found laying down getting a massage from Xena --so no, I'm not insulted, surprised or unprepared that I'm watching a show that uses sexual imagery pretty much alerting well before this episode, if you can't stand the heat....... The orgy scene fit the plot perfectly to achieve the sin of lust. And yes, a show with sub-text and a plot that cried out for a Xena/Gabrielle dance moment. Beautiful sums up the scene while the dialogue "evil--the dark side. It's intoxicating, isn't it?" describes it well. They used Eve's character so well in this episode (almost a straight man for Xena's joking) its the first time I actually enjoyed her. The evil streaming into the heart allowed me to enjoy Virgil who got an opportunity to act out differently than ever as well --so great character usage and acting in this episode. Again suspense set forth when Gabrielle shows concern if Xena was on-track interrupting Xena and Lucifer reminding Xena "well you were supposed to throw him in the portal" throwing Xena's leather jacket at her was a hoot ! (cute). Nice statement to credit Gabrielle by Xena later, "...everytime I felt myself start to lose control, just the thought of you led me back home." And suspense about Gabrielle too since she doesn't have the experience of a darksidel like Xena and they successfully present doubt at this orgy how deep Gabrielle has fallen into darkness through her actions with Virgil. Good character usage for that added suspense as well. Gabrielle whacking Eve over the head a triumphant moment (enjoyable ! & funny). So the layers peeled away and we see the monster beneath the fascad of Lucifer. And as to what has Xena done ---well, Lucifer asked the question too, "what have you done to me?" and the answer Xena gives us, " Only what I suspect Michael wanted all along --to put you in touch with your inner demon." Oh yea ! Xena as I trusted, Gabrielle trusted, Eve faltered but learned a lesson of love and trust ("I should have never doubted you.") and Xena sees to it rightful heir is sent to sit the throne of hell. Bravo !! One scene I paused as being a bit messed up was after Virgil credits Xena for saving him from making the mistake of his life he says he's going to clean up but he just leaves LoL ! So yes, mortals are supposed to be susceptible to sin but an ArchAngel shouldn't succumb to temptation. Thats quite clear in this episode and that is what put it in satisfactory perspective for me. Continuity wheret Xena's the hero saving lives averting hell on earth while Lucifer indeed, was a fallen angel rightfully unveiled as the monster appropriate to become heir to Mephistopheles throne in hell. 8.5 Chakrams All the ingredients of a good drama/story thats captivating, enticing, exciting even stimulating. Challenged acting -well done. Great script Good directing Good timing and flow Wonderful music And the nerve not to just make fun of themselves but actually slap themselves using dialogue --Virgil to Eve : "just having an old chat with Eli about why he chose my father's murderer as his messenger." (right on point, Virgil ! )
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I'll weigh in on this a bit later but for now just wanted to say that of course your viewpoint is welcome, Ep -- the more different opinions the merrier,
that's how it works.
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