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It's occurred to me that we've often had Xena discussions along the lines of "what should they have done differently," but this
hasn't really come up for H:TLJ. So, a question to Hercules fans: what, if anything, should have been done differently on the show? What
storylines should have been explored that weren't? Which ones that they had should have been dropped? What characters should have developed differently?
What episodes should have been overhauled or killed?
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I don't like how they killed salmoneous off... I really don't know what happened to him.
also, I think that when Xena started to become a real fleshy and coherent show, Hercules should have porbably explored putting down some good story archs. It just seemed like they forgot hercules after Xena came out and gave them all of the funny and totally ridiculous episodes.
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just want to subscribe to this topic... my bad
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I agree, Salmoneus deserved a better send-off than he got. At least Autolycus had a satisfying final ep (which was also the last ep they filmed).
I feel like the series finale could have been done better if they had had more time to build it up - the titans and the purple dinosaur were really cheesy, and it felt like they were regressing to Season 2, which didn't work for me considering the dark tone of S5. Revelations would have made a pretty decent series ender, I think, if they had ended it there. Another regret I have is that Lucy Lawless didn't end up in Stranger and Stranger as Naughty Xena - although Gina Torres was fantastic, they could have probably worked both characters in somehow if they'd wanted to. I really would've liked to have seen those scenes with Ares and NX. This is nothing new, but I also think they could have made Herc's character less of a goody-goody - not necessarily dark like Xena, but maybe a bit more like he was in some of the first season episodes. Or maybe give him just a little bit more of a wild side, I don't know - that might have made it more believable when he "went evil" in Bedeviled, for instance. |
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Another regret I have is that Lucy Lawless didn't end up in Stranger and Stranger as Naughty Xena - although Gina Torres was fantastic, they could have probably worked both characters in somehow if they'd wanted to. I really would've liked to have seen those scenes with Ares and NX. DEFINITELY! Plus they shouldn't have cut the X/A make-out scene from Armageddon Now II. Also, the character of Ares could have been developed much better. He started out good in the Hind trilogy but too often after that he became a rather one-dimensional cartoon villain. The sibling rivalry theme could have been mined for much more depth, the way it was in God Fearing Child.
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Salmoneus deserved a better send-off indeed. Nebula too, she didn't appear after the Dahax arc. The Iolaus/Nebula romance never got dealt with, I guess
they didn't have time and its understandable with a 8-episode final season, but a mention could of been good.
I kinda didn't like how season 6 turned out, then again 8 episodes was so little, so it was kinda a rush. The series final should of been different, Infact GFC seemed like a much better send-off to Hercules and Zeus/Hera than Full Circle, they could of done it differently maybe bringing light twlight themes into the final, but perhaps not revealing about Eve then. Xena in Stranger In Stranger indeed, with Nebula still included somehow. I kinda wished Hera got featured in a few more episodes in physical form, but either-way the two we got was alright.
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I agree about Ares and Nebula, too - of course, by the time S6 rolled around, Gina Torres had moved on to other things, but as you say, xena321, a mention
would have been nice.
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- Iolaus should have stayed dead after his death in Season 5. No "reset button" resurrections for him.
- The comic relief characters should have been involved in some dramatic episodes. What's so wrong with Salmoneous involved in a Dahak episode or Autolycus forced to help Herc in a conflict with a monster from Hera? Salmoneous was great in his single dramatic role in the first season with Xena. I don't understand why that didn't continue. - Allow Hercules to recover from the death of Iolaus, but don't turn him back into the perfect goody two-shoes he was before his best friend died. He should stay a little darker and jaded. It's called character development; don't ignore it. - Bring Jason along on some adventures. He was a great character wasted tending to his garden. - Stop ignoring recurring characters. Salmoneous, Nebula, and Morrigan all disappeared off the face of the earth without a mention. Either kill 'em off, warp up their storylines or keep them involved in the story. Don't ignore them. - And the number one thing I would have changed? I would have kept Kevin Sorbo on for those three more seasons. Six seasons was not enough
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Iolaus should have stayed dead after his death in Season 5. No "reset button" resurrections for him.I'd say the opposite - Iolaus stayed dead far too long! I loved the episodes where he died and those immediately after, but I didn't like the way Iolaus II became his "replacement" for a while. I did like Iolaus II as a character, just not instead of Iolaus. I was glad when he eventually came back to life. Bring Jason along on some adventures. He was a great character wasted tending to his garden.I agree! I think the same could be said about Iphicles (well, except the gardening part). Stop ignoring recurring characters. Salmoneous, Nebula, and Morrigan all disappeared off the face of the earth without a mention. Either kill 'em off, warp up their storylines or keep them involved in the story. Don't ignore them. Wasn't there an episode that followed up with Morrigan , We'll Always Have Cyprus, - or did you mean that didn't "end" her character that well either? As far as I remember it was still quite open ended, in that Hercules and Morrigan parted with the idea that they may possibly meet again at some point. Since the series finished with Hercules and Iolaus still carrying on as ever, I thought it was ok to leave some characters with that kind of open ending, since then they're there for them to meet again in future adventures that we never saw. Other things I think could have been done differently; I think that much of the Twilight of the Gods would have worked better as a mainly Hercules storyline rather than a Xena storyline. I think long episode arcs like we saw in Season 5 could have been featured in Seasons 3, and 4. More continuity in Season 1 - it takes a while before the set up of Hercules and Iolaus travelling (rather than living at "home", and with Iolaus only sometimes there) to be established, which makes some of those early episodes seem odd in the context of how the show develops. Out of all of Iolaus's girlfriends, I think I like Dirce the best so I would have liked to have seen more of her. I would have liked more cross overs with Xena. Another thing from Xena that could have been tried on Hercules is a musical episode. I know they did a music/dancing episode, but it would have been interesting to see them singing like in TBS. And again something I've also said about Xena is I would have liked more Christmas/Solstice specials. I liked A Star To Guide Them.
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We actually saw Morrigan once more,when Herc went to England for the 100th ep, in which he met Merlin and King Arthur. But yep, it was pretty much established
that Morrigan understood why they couldn't be together - Herc couldn't leave Greece for good anymore than she could leave Eire. (Giving rise to the pet
theory that Tigger and I have - he eventually did leave, leading to the dominance of Rome, decline of centaurs + Amazons, etc. while X+G slept for 25 yrs.)
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We actually saw Morrigan once more,when Herc went to England for the 100th ep, in which he met Merlin and King Arthur. But yep, it was pretty much established that Morrigan understood why they couldn't be together - Herc couldn't leave Greece for good anymore than she could leave Eire. (Giving rise to the pet theory that Tigger and I have - he eventually did leave, leading to the dominance of Rome, decline of centaurs + Amazons, etc. while X+G slept for 25 yrs.) I remember that now - Once Upon A Future King. I like that episode, I'd forgotten it came after WAHC. That's an interesting theory.
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LadyKate63 |
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I think the Twilight storyline could have worked really well as an X:WP/H:TLJ crossover arc, but only if H:TLJ had handled its characters differently, i.e.,
with more emotional depth. There was a lot of potential in the "Olympian family" storylines on H:TLJ -- Hera's thwarted love and jealousy toward
Zeus, Zeus' love and guilt toward Hera, Ares' complicated relationship with both of them and his sibling rivalry with Herc -- but somehow it failed to
pack any emotional punch, at least for me. In God Fearing Child it finally did.
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I agree with LK. I think the show could have delved more into the gods and their family struggles. I would have also brought in other characters like Artemis
and Athena and Haephestus. It would have been cool to see Hercules dealing with them for family turmoil not because they were devastating mankind. His
relationship with Zeus could and should have been explored more.
In one of the early Hercules movies, Herc questions his own mortality vs. his immortality. He's wondering what he is. I think that would have been an interesting conflict to confront later on. The problem with Herc was that he was too perfect. I wanted to see his inner struggle, and I think his relationship with the gods could have been more complex besides the "all gods are evil" idea. ![]() ~~~~~~~~~ I'm the King of Sweetness, my dear. --Hades to Persephone "Not Fade Away." |
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I agree, they show failed to deal enough with the gods and their family struggles. Infact its upsetting that they never did a single episode with with all the
gods present in a scene or two. Thats a big let-down.
I wanted to see more of his relationship with the gods, and more of the gods relationships with each-other. Aphrodite and Athena in scenes between Hera and Zeus could of been cool. We didn't get to see enough interactions with the gods, and it only ever happened in Motherhood on Xena. Artemis, Apollo, Demter, Athena and Haephestus should of appeared more regularly on Hercules. I would of loved to have seen much more god-centred series, where they explored more of the gods relationships with each-other and Hercules instead of the whole god. vs evil.
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