Another plot I'd like to include would be Eve's 'inheritence', IE Callisto's soul, which could make for interesting moments.

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@ Athenasword, you've still got the 25 year jump in there.
Another plot I'd like to include would be Eve's 'inheritence', IE Callisto's soul, which could make for interesting moments. |
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Oops you're right. Ok revise, let's say Kate's bubble universe is kept in, Eve ages into Elektra quickly and returns to the real world while
Eli's followers are still minimal. Whether Xena and Gab are still alive and young didn't seem to affect the propensity for the Way of Love to gain
currency; everything could still take place as noted.
I rather like the name Elektra for a villain, it sounds feisty, and the real Elektra ended up killing her mother.
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I also agree that I might have really liked the 25 year jump if they had fully utilized its potential.
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No jump, no bubble universe. I'm sorry, but for me *personally,* those types of plotlines almost always look like blatant acts of creative desperation to
me and they tend to turn me off.
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--Kaylee, Firefly
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LadyKate63 wrote: That's awesome.
I loved the Roman storyline. But this would tie in with the Twilight even more which would have been great. ![]() Officer of XTW :: No Xena, No Xenaverse! || Shipper Seasons || Fan Fiction
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LadyKate63 wrote: Okay, I think I'm ready to give this a go myself now: My dream scenario is a more down-to-earth solution like LK and Tiaran's here, but what always made it hard for me to think up a good one is the number
of conditions that I put on it. I wouldn't have liked a solution that completely changed the nature of the show like having them settle down with the
amazons. And I'm hard-pressed to think of a situation where Xena would give up raising Eve after regretting not being there for Solon. ...well actually I
can think of some situations, like the fact that Eve's life could be in danger if she stayed with Xena, but it
would just be too heartbreaking to see Xena have to give up another child.
Hmmm...going off of one of LK's ideas (and doing away with the twilight storyline), I think Xena probably would
try 'settling down' after realizing that life on the road would be too dangerous for Eve. I'm not sure if it would be in Amphipolis or some place
new. Let's say it's somewhere new. Would X+G get restless after a while in that kind of life? It's possible, especially after all their
adventures. But it's also possible that they would enjoy this second chance at a peaceful ordinary existence after everything they've been through.
I'm not sure how long this would last. A few weeks, months...maybe even a few years? To make it interesting lets say it was a few years. 5 years? Too
much? I'm afraid to pick a specific number.
We could do a time-skip between episodes. Say they settle down at the end of one episode and at the beginning of the next we get the "5 years
later" card. In this episode we see how much things have changed in the time we've missed, we see 5+ year old Eve and see the whole family
interaction that's developed. But of course, trouble finally comes knocking in the form of an army or some sin from the past and they have to get back
into warrior mode. ...and going off of the Melissa Good I've been reading lately: Xena would probably have to come to terms with the fact that this 5
year break from real fighting has caused her to lose some of her 'many skills.'
After they manage to defeat (by a hair) whatever baddie was threatening the peace, there would have to be a long talk. After this I'm not exactly sure
how it would go.
I could probably go on (and maybe I will later), but it's time for me to go to class
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DoT -- maybe it's because I haven't read and watched as much sci-fi/fantasy and such plot devices don't have as much of a "been there, done
that" quality for me, but I have no issue with "magical" solutions to the baby problem. My thinking is, if your show is set in a magical
universe, why not take take advantage of the opportunities that presents? If anything the miracle conception was more of a problem for me. But generally the
only time I have a problem with magic on X:WP is if it's used to create magical explanations for the characters' behavior (like the notion that Xena
gave up Solan because Alti's curse weakened her maternal instincts), since that messes with their psychology and make them less "real" -- a big
part of the appeal of X:WP to me is that it combines a fantastic/magical universe with very realistic, plausible human psychology and motivation. YMMV, of
course.
To be honest though, Xena and Gabrielle settling permanently with the Amazons and helping them rebuild is something that I'm afraid would have killed my interest in the show. One of my favorite things about Xena is that she's such an individualist, and so not a team player. It's actually easier for me to see her living on a farm with Gabby (and Ares, hopefully Xena giving Eve away to be raised by Cyrene is better -- but unfortunately I can't see it happening without the show turning far too bleak and joyless for my liking, with Xena slogging along in a permanent state of low-level depression and taking no real pleasure in anything she does. I'd had quite enough of Depressed!Xena in Season 4. One thing I liked about S5, in spite of all its problems, is that the show had regained its sense of fun which (IMO) was largely missing from the fourth season. Of course, Xena waking up from a 25-year nap to discover that her daughter has become a Roman general and gone down her own path of slaughter and mayhem wasn't exactly a cheery storyline either, and if Xena herself was presented with a choice of the 25-year sleep or the foster-care option, I'm sure she'd have chosen the latter. For me as a viewer, however, a quick explosion of dramatic angst and tragedy works far better than drawn-out depression. There's a happier solution -- instead of relinquishing custody of Eve, Xena could establish a home base with Cyrene in Amphipolis and be a part-time warrior, going away on missions with Gabrielle when and where she's needed, and spending time with Eve in between adventures (and mostly, I hope, between episodes as well). You could also have Xena and Gabrielle taking turns staying home with Eve and have a few more Gab-lite and Xena-lite episodes. (I wouldn't have minded a couple of episodes in which Xena teams up with Ares if Ares is mortal at this point; they could have still ended S5 with Ares sacrificing his godhood to heal Gabrielle and Eve, only it would have been Baby Eve, and then the "partial settling down" could have happened in S6.) It could have worked... (and, on the bright side for me as a FIN critic, I don't think they would have dared to kill off Xena if she was the mother of a young child). But to be honest something about this scenario just strikes me as too, I don't know -- too neat a solution? Too down-to-earth? Again, obviously these are personal preferences; it would be a boring world if we all agreed, and I totally respect the fact that the 25-year gap was a huge turnoff for many viewers. (I still think it would have been less of a turnoff if the post-25-year-gap storylines and characters had been handled better.) For me -- plot devicey though the 25-year-old sleep may be, I like the fact that we got to see Xena's daughter as an adult and to see what became of her, and I like that we got to see Joxer live out his full life and to meet his son. So I actually still prefer it to the bubble universe scenario (and I think the latter is also more overused in Sci-Fi/fantasy). athenasword, I really like the way your scenario plays out, with Elektra/Eve eventually and regretfully killing Athena. I still would have kept her campaign against the Elijans, though, but probably without Livia-esque excesses. I think Athena disapproved of Ares killing Eli because Ares basically made a martyr out of him and drove more people to turn against the gods; but once the rebellion against the gods began, I think Athena had no problem using violence to squelch it. If she became convinced that the Elijans had something to do with the Twilight, then I think she would have had no qualms against using any means necessary to suppress them. (Actually it's interesting that Ares seemed to lean toward the view that the Twilight would be brought about by people abandoning the gods under the influence of Eli's teachings, and Athena toward the view that the Twilight was linked to Eve's continued survival.) Anyway... someone ought to write this fanfic! ETA: Oh, I'd missed your post before, wingstwospirit. I had actually considered the "Five years later" card as an option -- for one thing, a five-year-old is a lot more fun as a screen presence than a baby.
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LadyKate63 wrote: Another good idea. I could see this one happening but it doesn't necessarily have to mean everything works out okay (and I don't mean, killing the
child or anything). It could still present some interesting plots and difficulties.
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I find it hard to believe that of all the things in season 5, it's the time jump that people have the biggest problem with. Think of the early season five
episodes that were just so horid.
Imo, Livia, Eve and Motherhood were not bad, and I would say they are actually probably part of what salvaged season 5. If anything it was the pregnancy in general that made season 5 problematic, not the way they handled growing eve up. Furthermore, you'd have to judge the quality of the time jump by how season 6 was regarded, and if anything, I feel as though it was barely noticeable in some ways that the old characters were missing. If anything people were happy with season six after how the series was going downhill. Season six was largely successful, and I believe that this was the result of the time jump.
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