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LadyKate63 |
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Solo!
"They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless
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Actually I try to avoid being influenced from Xena's general worldview. While I doubt anyone here has killed people, you've probably done things you
regret that you can't take back, or been in embarrassing situations that pop up in your brain whenever you mess up. But you have the option to push those
images away.
Xena will never be happy with herself. At the end of the day, with or without Gabrielle's love, she won't open herself up the possibility that she could release everything that she keeps bottled up. Her mind is constantly filled with regrets that even years with Gabrielle can't erase. Throughout the series I kept asking why, if she felt she could never atone, did she bother fighting for good? What gives her the right to walk freely in the world swinging a sword against the same people she used to ride with? Because she thinks only she has the abilities to take on bad guys every day? Because she thinks commoners are too weak to fend for themselves? Quentin Tarantino put it succinctly that Xena will always be paying ten cents on the dollar. People like her are never satisfied with what they do because they set impossibly high expectations of themselves, and they're the ones who feel shriveled and destitute at the end of day, content to stand by while other people revel in the results of their work but too proud to join in the celebration themselves. It sometimes seems like with anyone else other than Gabrielle, Xena doesn't want forgiveness, in fact she rejects it as demeaning, pitiful, even a weakness. Spare her your pity but let her help you anyway. By not allowing forgiveness, it permits her to hold onto that pain, rage, and guilt, and channel it into her weapon. It's a wonder she never got ulcers. I take from Xena the ideas that one way or another you should make up for mistakes you've caused, but I stop it there. Long after you've had those shameful moments but people have forgiven you for them, the only person affected by reliving or re envisioning those moments is you. If you constantly see yourself as a monster, you have the right to stop it one day, and if you don't you're probably going to end up hurt or worse by no one's fault but your own, especially if support is rejected. But I enjoy the idea that you can make a difference in the world because you are different, because you bring a unique identity and unique abilities to the table. The bonds you share with people are distinctly your own, and the courage to stand up and protect those bonds elicits no greater sacrifice.
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LadyKate63 |
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It's a wonder she never got ulcers. Are you so sure? Anyway, that's interesting that you see Xena's personal philosophy in such negative terms. I don't think she doesn't want forgiveness so much as she knows she can't really have it -- most of her victims are dead, and while in the Xenaverse that's not necessarily final, chances are they're not in a position to ever forgive her. I think she also knows that she doesn't have the right to ask for forgiveness; but I believe she does appreciate it, if granted. As for why she fights for the greater good if she can never find real redemption -- I think that atonement for Xena is a process, not an end. I think she knows that the good deeds she does cannot change or repeal her past crimes, they can only put something on the other side of the ledger. She fights for good because it's the right thing to do and because she knows she owes something to the world. It's a debt that can never be paid in full because she can't pay it to those to whom she owes it (with a few exceptions like the still-alive Thalassa), but that doesn't mean she can afford to stop paying it.
"They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless
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LadyKate63 |
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Just wanted to comment on an earlier post:
It's interesting that you view S4 that way. Because I actually found the India arc very annoying in that respect -- to me it seemed to say that there can be only one "true path" for every one of us, and if you end up choosing and following something that's "the wrong path" that's disastrously bad. I think that's way too simplistic.
"They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless
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LadyKate63 wrote: I was watching "The way" yesterday. Its her path. She wouldn't be Xena without a fight, and I think if the only thing she fought for was forgivness she would have given up before the end of season 1. I think she's a bit egoistic, and I think she fights for good, because it makes her feel better. I think she "stopped" seeking redemption past season 4. It seemed as if she understood that she even though she thinks each of us are the boss of our own destiny, she had just lived out hers. And now she knows, that nomather what, in her next life she will be a woman of peace. That must meen she has been forgiven. Also in "You are there" Lucifer tells us Xena is not going to hell. Must mean that someone up above has forgiven her, right ?
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meaurel |
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LadyKate63 wrote: Its not that simple. I really loved the India arc because it gave me some spiritual insight, and it inspired me to believe in what I feel deep inside. I think "The one true path" is following ones heart, and as long as you are doing so, you are completing yourself as a human being. And thats what I think the path is. Not some predicted path. And in "The way" I think they made it sound like the path is a long, but straight road. When really living, atleast for me, is a very curvy road. Anyway, I think it all depends how you percieve the thought. Im sorry my english is a bit beside its self lately. |
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LadyKate63 |
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Oh, don't worry about your English, meaurel.
However ... I really loved the India arc because it gave me some spiritual insight, and it inspired me to believe in what I feel deep inside. I think "The one true path" is following ones heart, and as long as you are doing so, you are completing yourself as a human being. And thats what I think the path is. Not some predicted path. And in "The way" I think they made it sound like the path is a long, but straight road. When really living, atleast for me, is a very curvy road. Anyway, I think it all depends how you percieve the thought. Just a question... do you think you're thinking about the actual message of the India arc? Or are you adapting it to your own ideas and perhaps reading your own ideas into it? Because as you say... on the show they made the "Way" sound like a straight path. Sorry, but I really, really dislike the India arc. As far as Xena's redemption... oh, geez, I dislike the treatment of it in the India arc in so many ways that I just try to pretend it doesn't exist. I don't like the idea has to get approval for her path from a god (once she's never heard of until that day). I don't like the idea that she is pursuing her path with the expectation of a "reward" like being reborn as a saint or of being forgiven by "someone up there," rather than just doing the best she can do. For me it just took the show away from a human level to a mystical one. But of course, as they say, your mileage may vary.
"They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless
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meaurel |
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LadyKate63 - reading my own ideas into it. =)
yeah, we all like different things and we all are annoyed by different things. I know that for ex. "Between the lines" is a very unpopular episode. Never the less I like it.. But I remember first time I watched it I was annoyed (I caught it on a german channel years ago) because of the whole reincarnation thing. But we all change. |
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LadyKate63 |
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Fair enough.
Would be a dull world if we all liked the same things!
"They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless
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I think the Indian arc was the best arc they ever did on Xena. It was more spiritual and it gave me an thrust to search more about myself
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