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athenasword |
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"They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila |
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Good thread! I started rewatching the entire X:WP/H:TLJ Dahak arc a few weeks ago, and just finished the Norse eps on Saturday - it really inspired some of
the most angst-laden writing on both series, and Hercules himself was never more interesting as a character before or since.
The way I understood things, Gilgamesh opened the door for Dahak by ensuring that the Sumerian deities would be too weak to oppose him, and Iolaus's death allowed Dahak to manifest himself directly in the world, rather than through an avatar/semen receptacle like Hope. Dahak is different than any of the other gods in the Herk/Xenaverse, though in that he never takes a physical form of his own - instead, he inhabits other bodies that he finds useful for his purposes. We never see him deal with Loki other than as a disembodied voice, and it's still unclear to me how he managed to massacre the Druids.
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athenasword |
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I believe Iolaus accepted Dahak's offer after Loki's encounter, before Darkness Rising. The monster in the ice cave, and his "final form" in
Iolaus' soul, is just a projection, or an incomplete manifestation. He was in Iolaus' body when he slaughtered the Druids; that's who the cloaked
figure is running through Hercules' dreams. Dahak can travel quickly between countries where local gods cannot and zip out again.
Dahak is an abstract, the chaos that is in every human soul. The Knights of the round table called him the blind force behind every evil will, Zarathustra called him the natural destructive impulse. In other words, unlike the gods we regularly know, Dahak is sustained and empowered by human ambition, i.e., if you have no wicked thoughts, the Devil has no power. That's why possession is more favourable to him, and why he used Gabrielle's womanly abilities to create his avatar. Iolaus succumbed to his temptation, and Gabrielle succumbed to Khrafstar's temptation and did a wicked deed. I watched Gabrielle's Hope again and I couldn't believe I didn't notice the symbolism they set up. She gives birth in a stable, during an eclipse of the sun, with animals barking and bleating frantically around her, and the only silent creature is that black ram. That's a frikkin fantastic move whoever thought it up.
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athenasword |
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I watched Redemption and noticed something Zarathustra said: "Think of Dahak as a disease that has affected your friend. Now they are one and the
same."
When Iolaus takes Dahak's hand, the background becomes that same cavernous part of his body that Herc dives into to save him and where Dahak shows up as the monster. I think the monster was created to imply that same disease that had to separated from the body, because it definitely looks like a cartoony version of a monster parasite. So I'm of the opinion now that the tick monster really was just another projection, a symbol of what he represented, the same as when he turned into Nebula and Hercules to tempt Iolaus. It wasn't what he really looks like. Dahak is so abstract that he has no real form, and that's a disadvantage. That's why he needs human hosts to manifest. The closest he could become in the real world without entering it was fire, and even then he couldn't do much; he needs Hope for that. We could think that this makes him even more powerful than Mephistopheles and Lucifer of Milton's Hell because they have real forms. Only Eli's God comes closest to Dahak.
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Yeah, I think Giant Tick was a manifestation of Dahak on some other plane, not his "true form."
I also think Dahak and the GoL were intended as parallels to each other. "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila |
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athenasword |
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Ironic considering that both wanted all of the pagan gods exterminated to ensure their success.
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I'm glad I read all this before I've gotten my Hercules Seasons 1-6 DVDs. Now I'll be thinking about different things while watching them. I wonder
what it would have been like if Hope had crossed over H:TLJ?! Would she have tried to find her father (who was inside Iolaus)? Anybody write any fanfic about
this?
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Wow, that is a fascinating analysis, athenasword, particularly of the analogies between how the Dahak arc was handled on both shows.Co-signed. Dude, your analysis rocks. I'ma go back and check that Herc Dahak arc.
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ErisPhobos wrote: I remember a long time ago someone was planning a fanfic before Hercules 5 and Xena 4 aired, where Hope survived the fall, and the Destroyer she gave birth
to wasn't a creature but a half-mortal human son named Havoc who went after Hercules and Iolaus. I don't know if the fic was written.
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