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xenawp7706 |
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Well I like seeing Xena with Gabrielle, and sometimes with Ares too, just to change a bit
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MoyCullen |
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Hmm, this dynamic would definitely not have worked for me as it feels way too Melrose Place or Grey's Anatomy for my taste. Actually one of the major reasons I love XWP so much is that it didn't go down the path of so many other shows with all sorts of romantic entanglements and partner swapping. There were so many wonderful, dramatic, deeply emotional stories that I never felt the need for any love triangles or explicitly stated romances and to this day, the show continues to feel very unique in that they never relied on those types of plots, other than in a few episodes. Additionally, the strong emotional bond between Xena and Gabrielle is one of the greatest strengths of the show for me to so to have had another major rift arc, this time with another lover (even if it was Ares who I love) coming between them would have ruined the show for me. Episode contained conflicts were perfectly okay and enjoyable but another major fissure in their relationship like that would have very likely caused me to lose interest and abandon the show. Although its great fun to speculate on what may have been going on "offscreen" so to speak. And to that point, I think you've got quite an intriguing non-bulleted bullet list here. The only one I would say that I'm just not seeing any subtext for is Gabrielle considering romantic relationship with Aphrodite so I'd be very interested to hear what it is that you see that made you come to that conclusion. LadyKate63 wrote: Ditto 100%. I actually separate in my mind the characters on the show and the ones depicted in fanfiction and I'm very willing to go many more places
with them in fanfic than I ever would have been on the show.
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LadyKate63 |
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Yeah -- what you said, Moy.
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lexx223 |
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though I voted for option one, the little menage a trois idea is like...damn. Very sexy. Especially cuz Ares is one good looking hunk of man. In "Old
Ares Had a Farm" during THE bed scene, my mind went right to the gutter...oh the possibilities...the dirty, graphic possibilities.
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TheEpTalk |
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I'm not bitexter - not anykind of texter. I "seize the moment" enjoying episodes or moments within episodes which I fully see X&G as a couple yet there are episodes or moments I love X&A, seeing them as having an attraction to one another believing Xena never acted on her real feelings for Ares only because as she said, he was "bad for her." I don't concern myself about consumated or unconsumated because how they showed both relationships was often fun, very often melodramatic, always chemistry filled, always creative and always very enjoyable.
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Hmm, this dynamic would definitely not have worked for me as it feels way too Melrose Place or Grey's Anatomy for my taste. Or Buffy or Battlestar Galactica. Episode contained conflicts were perfectly okay and enjoyable but another major fissure in their relationship like that would have very likely caused me to lose interest and abandon the show. A lot of Subtext fans did lose interest in the show for Season 5. They see a distance between Gabrielle and Xena during this time. I definately see it too. It feels like a fissure is there to me, but isn't addressed storywise. Most people will interpret changes whether or not a reason is explicitly given. And this is actually a shipping forum. We've got three of them. I really don't know how else to interpret the canon other than Xena was attracted to both Gabrielle and Ares, to both men and women. It's the only way it makes sense to me. I am merely putting a name to it, just as people do to the X/G ship and the X/A ship in their respective forums. If most fans were satisfied with what we got, I suspect we wouldn't have shipping forums...let alone three. The "bitext as maintext" scenario is a fine one to explore in fanfic. In canon... I at least prefer what we got. LK: Perhaps we need another forum for ambigutexters. LOL Nah...that's what the main forum is for, no? Is this gonna be a multi-ships vs non-ships debate? Really? Here? My view is fine for fanfic? Go say that in the Subtext Zone or Shipper talk and replace "Subtext as maintext" or "Shipper text as maintext" (though most assume the latter is anyway). I avoided talking to Xena fans about Xena for a good while. I felt the arguing of ships was leading me away from my true internal view. The one that causes me to enjoy the series. My subjective view in which I see various ships in varying degrees in various episodes that I don't knock, criticize or pick at while I'm watching. It was only in talking to fans that I began to do so. And I'd really rather not do that. I have such a weakness for being wrangled into it, that I don't even read the main forum anymore. ('cept for threads that are accidentally placed in the Lounge My objective view is that Xena and Gabrielle were ambiguous...perhaps I should clarify, were ambiguous in regards to their relationship to each other AND in their other relationships. I've already conceded to that and I've made peace with it. And I would be okay with arguing that in the main forum as I've already done. But is there still not a forum to just express my subjective view? Is this gonna be the forum where I gotta argue my Bitext view because it doesn't fit the Shipper or Subtext view? 'Cause I can do that in the main forum if I wanted to. But I'm not doing it there nor do I think I should have to here. EPTalk: Bisexual just means being attracted to members of either sex. It doesn't necessarily mean having sex or acting on it. I don't think bitext automatically implies consumation of any relationship, only that there was attraction going on. -Meo
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Hi Grrrl,
Don't have time for a longer post now but I'm sorry you've been made to feel like your viewpoint is being attacked -- that certainly wasn't my intent, or Moy's, I'm sure. "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila |
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MoyCullen |
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GrrrlRomeo: LadyKate said it much better than I could but I wanted to also say that I'm sorry my comments made you feel as though I
thought your opinion or your views were invalid or somehow wrong. That was not my intention at all. By no means am I anti-X/A, G/A or X/G/A and if my post made
it seem that way, then that's bad writing by me. In fact, joining this board was a direct result of contacting LadyKate with overwhelming praise for her
bitext story, that being the only fanfic that ever moved me enough to hunt down the author and I am one of those readers bugging her for her much awaited
sequel.
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EPTalk: Bisexual just means being attracted to members of either sex. It doesn't necessarily mean having sex or acting on it. I don't think bitext automatically implies consumation of any relationship, only that there was attraction going on.Thankyou GrrrlRomeo, LoL ! I'm aware of the meaning of bisexual while if you're re-read my words I said I'm not a bitexter as applies to being a "texter", a label on favored relationship or attractions. I never mentioned bisexual (but no foul no harm -its all discussion). I stated not being a bi-texter to clarify that I have never and still don't choose to be labeled. which I give respect to all fans who have for a very long time now chosen labels such as subbers, or bitexter etc. This was the first time I've ventured to post in this All Ships Ahoy forum because the numerous forums as titled reflect to me that labels in accordance to relationships sadly became a divisive situation among a wonderful and large fandom (we all share being fans, thats' the only label I like and consider of myself). I would love all XWP fans to gather same place, same time, equally appreciative and politely comunicating all views, all of the time---but I understand and allow my thoughts on this are simply my own.) I loved the show for many, many reasons and I never chose to narrow my enjoyment in a way I felt categorized me because of a preferred "relationship" on the show. I simply enjoyed and loved many beautiful scenes, moments, melodrama inclusive of amazing emotions complimented with fantastic chemistry especially between X&G and X&A. And I did not say or address bitext implied consumation. I simply said basically I didn't need affirmation of sex or as its expressed in the wording of the poll itself, consumated or not consumated.
You're right here ---and as I was merely trying to say by posting here at all in response to the "poll" --- labels, catergories, even shipping
lanes are to me a sad outcome although understandable. Since I prefer fandom, XWP ships a'hoy- I'm headed back to the Xena Scrolls forum pronto !
LoL
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Let's see to explain my view I guess it progressed. When I first seen Xena I was 14 and living in a small town and had no clue about subtext and was all
about X/A getting together. Then I got older (26 now) and know alot more about life (even though I still live in a small town hehe) and totally see X/G as
soulmates. If asked I'd say I'm a bitexter because I love both relationships in fact thanks to LK I'm a very big fan of the X/G/A pairing. I
don't believe that any pairing is right or wrong, it is in the eye of the beholder, I started online after the big subber/shipper debate so I missed all
that stuff but I don't think anyone should slam someone based on thier favorite pairing heck to be honest I think 1st and 2nd season Gabs and Joxer make a
cute pair lol and Borias gets points because of the whole horse scene with Xena in the Debt
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