Where do the gods go when they die?

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xenawannabe	Where do the gods go when they die?	Lead	[-]
Warrior Posts: 465 (06/11/08 4:01 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I was just checking out the God and Love thread and it got me thinking...when the gods in Xena died, where did they go? Especially once Xena killed off Hades, is there an afterlife even for them? Do they fade into oblivion? What happened to all of the people in the underworld after Hades was killed? Did the underworld society just run amok?
LadyKate63		#1	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 79408 (06/11/08 4:19 PM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey, xenawannabe! Good to see you back. And good question. The afterlife gets very confusing from S5 onwards. (Or maybe even from S4 onwards, when we learn that some people -- like Amazons -- go to places other than Tartarus and the Elysian Fields, and then they throw reincarnation into the mix as well.) There's Tartarus and the Elysian Fields, then there's simultaneously Heaven and Hell. You'd think that after Hades' death his domain would be dissolved and absorbed into Hell, but apparently not; we see Charon still ferrying people to Tartarus in You Are There ... or maybe he's ferrying people to Hell now and working for a new boss? Then in WFC we learn that "security in Tartarus has been lax" after Hades' death (allowing Caesar to escape). Who knows, maybe Persephone is in charge after Hades' demise and she's having a hard time coping with security problems? And where does Hell come in? Anyway ... in the Shipper Virtual Season, we worked with the assumption that the dead gods were sent to Hell. But I'm not sure there's anything in canon to support that. We also worked out some sort of "logic" for the coexistence of Tartarus and Hell. "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila
Allegorie		#2	[-]
New Member Posts: 7 (06/11/08 4:38 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have read that the ancient gods just appeared to die and are lying low for a while until they are appreciated again.
athenasword		#3	[-]
Warrior Posts: 396 (06/11/08 7:07 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here's one who appreciates them Oath on Her Sword - Trust in Her Word
Haephestus		#4	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 2756 (06/11/08 7:32 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No idea. When goddess Callisto died she went to h3ll. But when goddess Velasca died she went to Tartarus. When god Caligula died, he also went to Tartarus. Both Callisto and Velasca became gods by ingesting Ambrosia, so I don't know why when they died they would go to separate afterlifes. Unless for some reason Velasca's "godhood" hadn't full settled in (as she was still quiet weak) and for that reason her "soul" was subject to a Greek mortal's rules on the afterlife? Also, Mephistopholes (sp?) had an interest in Xena which may be why he claimed Callisto's soul (presuming he is the "dark lord" referred to in IOM and that there wasn't another "dark lord" in h3ll before Mephy and then Lucy (Lucifer)). The Greek gods who were actually "born" gods did not appear to go anywhere when they "died". I would have thought that if they went to Tartarus, then Hades would have been able to communicate directly with Zeus after he was killed by Hercules, yet I'm sure the Greek gods are just as ignorant of where Zeus (and Hera) are after the events of GFC. I guess it's possible the Greek gods that were killed by Xena (and Hercules) went to either heaven or h3ll in accordance with the GOL's "rules". BUT it also seemed that to some extent you had to "believe" in a certain faith in order to go to that specific afterlife (which may be why Xena and Gabrielle went to heaven's holding ground in IOM as they were somewhat devotees of the GOL). Then again, perhaps it has to do with how the Greek gods died. They were killed by Xena who was using "powers" granted by the GOL which may have meant their souls "belonged" to the GOL? Caligula killed himself, so I guess his soul would belong to whomever he wanted it to belong to, in this case Tartarus. That theory could also somewhat work for Xena who essentially killed herself in FIN and deliberately "willed" her soul to be subject to the rules of the Jappa afterlife. It really doesn't make much sense at all. I guess the most likely scenario is that the Greek gods are in heaven or h3ll depending on how they were "judged". I'm guessing since it was all the GOL's "plan" to get them killed in the first place that he wouldn't have been that generous with their souls and that they're probably in h3ll somewhere. Cheers.
LadyKate63		#5	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 79451 (06/12/08 1:41 AM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	When goddess Callisto died she went to h3ll. But when goddess Velasca died she went to Tartarus. When god Caligula died, he also went to Tartarus. Yeah, just thinking about it today I remembered that Velasca was one of the dead that Charon mentioned as being in Tartarus. I used to think that maybe Callisto went to Hell because she had been involved with Dahak, and Dahak had some kind of connection to Calli's "Dark Lord" (Mephisto?). Buuuuuut... ... aw, hell, there's no way to make sense of this. "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila
TheJollyApe		#6	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 2206 (06/12/08 5:14 AM) XOC Forum Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Do the gods have souls? Or is that something that is exclusive to mortals turning gods?
LadyKate63		#7	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 79468 (06/12/08 6:17 AM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hmm... If a soul is a core sense of self and individual consciousness then I would say that gods have a soul. Kind of OT but here's something interesting -- when Zeus dies after Hercules stabs him with the Rib of Cronos, his body basically just turns to dust and vanishes. Yet in every other case when a god is killed (Strife and Callisto stabbed with the Hind's Blood Dagger, the Olympians killed by Xena with ordinary weapons), it's really no different than any mortal dying. Why's that? some unique property of the Rib of Cronos? (Btw, it was a very cool effect to have Olympus shake whenever a god dies.) "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila
Drawing Blood		#8	[-]
Moderator Four Star General Posts: 3705 (06/12/08 7:44 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Maybe after watching what Callisto did as a goddess, the other gods stripped Velasca of her powers and sent her to Tartarus? Or maybe Velasca escaped, tried to kill Xena and Gabrielle, and somehow got sent to the afterlife? Banner made by Pandora.
d0maris		#9	[-]
Mortal Posts: 8 (06/12/08 9:20 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Dead greek gods went to Rome! Didn't you guys read Blood Bound? PS: If not I highly recommend it
LadyKate63		#10	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 79481 (06/12/08 2:12 PM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Or maybe Velasca escaped, tried to kill Xena and Gabrielle, and somehow got sent to the afterlife? Ahhh, yes... it's one of those "missing episodes." d0maris, what's "Blood Bound"? I actually have heard that theory before (that the Greek gods died and became Roman gods) but the Xenaverse kinda mucks that up as we see the Greek gods being worshiped in Rome. "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila
TheJollyApe		#11	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 2207 (06/12/08 2:45 PM) XOC Forum Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's a post-AFIN subtext fanfic of rather epic proportions by D. I kinda like the idea of them being transferred. It seems a little strange that a god can die. I like the concept of a forgotten god simply vanishing, but truly die...? Perhaps it was just their mortal "shells" that died and went to Tartarus/Hell.
dahllaz		#12	[-]
Commander Posts: 305 (06/12/08 5:21 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's a post-AFIN subtext fanfic of rather epic proportions by D. Ooooh, I want to read that. Link, please? userbar graphics by Aurora & TaladarkieJJ My graphics
TheJollyApe		#13	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 2210 (06/12/08 5:56 PM) XOC Forum Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here you go: Blood Bond by D
LadyKate63		#14	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 79498 (06/12/08 6:09 PM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The Jolly Ape said: It seems a little strange that a god can die. I like the concept of a forgotten god simply vanishing, but truly die...? Perhaps it was just their mortal "shells" that died and went to Tartarus/Hell. Hmm, I don't know. It's hard to tell because I don't think any gods actually died in Greek mythology. However, in Norse mythology Baldur (or Baldr) did die and went to the same Underworld as mortals, I think. Except that, ironically, after the Twilight of the Gods he's supposed to be one of the few gods who will survive when the rest go down in a great battle with the forces of evil -- he'll be released from the underworld and will be one of the founders of the new pantheon for humanity's golden age. "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila
TheJollyApe		#15	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 2212 (06/12/08 6:16 PM) XOC Forum Host Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	So it's a type of temporary death then. Someone with good mythology/religion skills should clear this up. I wonder how many different type of religions that have goods die, and in what capacity they did. I think the reason I like the "moving concept" is because it quite closely follows what happened in many culture contact situations. Like how the Romans incorporated any new gods they "discovered" when expanding into their existing pantheon. Kinda having them as an extension of an existing God. Then again it probably makes more sense from a cultural perspective than a spiritual one.
dahllaz		#16	[-]
Commander Posts: 308 (06/12/08 7:46 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	TheJollyApe wrote: Here you go: Blood Bond by D Thanks! userbar graphics by Aurora & TaladarkieJJ My graphics
Haephestus		#17	[-]
Two Star General Posts: 2760 (06/12/08 7:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In my head (not always the most reliable of places), I have Velasca killed with the Hinds' Blood Dagger in an unseen episode since both the dagger and Velasca go "missing" off-screen. Of course, that is more due to TPTB seemingly forgetting about the dagger in season 5, but it also works that way. BUT, then there is the problem of Strife who was also killed with the dagger and who presumably was never seen again by Ares as he actually seemed at a "loss" over his death. Then again, one can counter that by separating "mortals who become gods" from "gods born gods" with the latter perhaps going to h3ll. After all, it would kind of make sense for a god's soul to be "subject" to the will of another god (as opposed to one of their own). In terms of Callisto, perhaps Hades didn't want her soul (given all the trouble she caused previously) and by "rejecting" it, her soul was somehow put on the "open market" and subject to Meph's use/dominion? Or Callisto may have even "willed" her soul to go to h3ll since she seemed against the idea of going to Tartarus and it seems as though a person's soul is subject to the afterlife of their own choosing, so by rejecting Tartarus, Callisto's soul ended up in the "default" afterlife of h3ll (which she then discovered to be much worse). Still, all very confusing. Cheers.
LadyKate63		#18	[-]
Administrator Moderator Olympian Posts: 79506 (06/12/08 9:43 PM) Xena Studies Ph.D. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Well, your explanation sorta makes sense, Haeph.... "They have this love/hate, lust/hate relationship." -- Lucy Lawless See my artwork and fanfiction at The Muse's Corner * Visit Xena Online Community Keepership and sig script by Nutty, Avatars by Cila
Drawing Blood		#19	[-]
Moderator Four Star General Posts: 3711 (06/13/08 9:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	In terms of Callisto, perhaps Hades didn't want her soul (given all the trouble she caused previously) and by "rejecting" it, her soul was somehow put on the "open market" and subject to Meph's use/dominion? Hmm, in the Herc episode 'Be Deviled' Sin mentions that Hades sends certain souls (ones who were too bad for Tartarus) to his/her realm. Maybe Callisto was one of those souls . . .? Banner made by Pandora.
JSolo1		#20	[-]
Warrior Posts: 425 (06/13/08 11:48 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I kinda like the idea of them being transferred. It seems a little strange that a god can die. Co-signed. "If music be the food of love, play on" -William Shakespeare "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life" -Berthold Auerbach "Music is the language of the spirit. It opens the secret of life, bringing peace, abolishing strife"-Khalil Gibran "Without music, life would be a mistake"-Friedrich Nietzsche XOC love to Sais08 for keeper

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