Heart of darkness

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (brabmuffin) — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:16:40 GMT

thats funny... I never even put that together... I love that ep... and will prolly crack up next time I see it

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (Storm1329) — Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:22:15 GMT

Likes:
Lucy and her funny behaviour towards Lucifer in the beginning
The Dance of course
Gabrielle Knocking annoying good Eve out
Gabby hitting Xena in the head for kissing Lucifer

Dislikes:
Why do all Xena's plans involve her seducing men and manipulating them, just too same old
Virgil interrupting the dance lol
The Angel guys being so wimpy and not putting up a real fight

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (unwise ocean) — Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:59:07 GMT

"holibi" seems to be a newly-minted word from Belgium that they're trying to popularise.

Why do gays have to adopt the fish symbol? Couldn't they have chosen a cat or something less polemical? At least the ancient Egyptians are long gone and are unlikely to take umbrage from their place of rest. Maybe a turtle? They're nice and need protecting.

I personally don't wish to be associated with any religious symbol, especially one that is going to lead...

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feeds@yuku.com (xwpweb) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:15:40 GMT

I assumed it was a Icthus as well.

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feeds@yuku.com (Buffus the Bacchae Slayer) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:12:04 GMT

I've never heard of holibi either. Possibly it's a local term?

The Ichtus is most known as a Christian symbol but it actually dates to pre-Christian (Ichthys was the son of sea goddess Atargatis and it was his symbol). I think it's a pretty recent thing that some some in the gay community are now using it, often in rainbow colors.
I do think it's unlikely that this was a concious effort at subtext in HOD; more likely it's a religous reference.

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (Drawing Blood) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:38:24 GMT

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/offbeat/2007/01/jesus_fish_comes_out_full_circ_1.html

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kralis/070104

I wasn't aware that the ichtus was now associated with gay culture either, although like LK said I think it was a symbol of Christianity. I do...

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (JustSayNoToNutbread) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:29:35 GMT

Whaa, I've never heard of "holibi," nor have I heard of the fish as a symbol of the gay community.

But yeah, Gabrielle used it well.

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (martinexena) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:49:53 GMT

Holibi? You never heard about it? That is the universal name for the Gay-community. It takes all the lesbians and homos into one nice name.

You have for example the internation Holibi federation which works to protect and advance the discrimination for the gay people. Overhere in Belgium it works perfectly and they are moving up. Besides legal weddings they are working to get both men or woman legally nominated as parents for their children.

The fish symbol is nowadays the...

Re: Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:26:05 GMT

Hmm, "holibi"? I've never heard that term before, what does it mean?

I think the fish is a reference to the Ichtus (fish symbol) used by early Christians.

And yeah, the "Lucy" was pretty cute. Though I'm generally not a fan of the ep.

Heart of darkness

feeds@yuku.com (martinexena) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:53:43 GMT

When I do watch this eps I always admire and laugh in the beginning when Xena refers to her own name Lucy when she shortens the name of Lucifer. As her own name is Lucy and she uses it like this, it gives such a nice twist.

In HOD I love how they use some holibi props. When Eve is praying you see the banners and the statues of the upside down fish. Here with us that refers to the gay-community.
It is hilarious when Gabrielle uses it to knock down Eve. Gives you a...