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  So, we&#39;ve been having a really interesting discussion in this thread, Rewriting the 25 year jump, about alternatives to the 25-year sleep as a way to handle the problem of the heroines of an action show
having a baby in tow.



  
  Here&#39;s a few scenarios we came up with:
  
  
  * After Amphipolis Under Siege, Athena -- guided by a typically cryptic prophecy from the Fates -- changes her strategy and, instead of trying to
  kill Eve, kidnaps her and takes her to a &quot;bubble... ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: How to deal with Baby Eve: your favorite scenario?  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I personally see the 25 year jump as such lame, lame, lame, lame, lame, lazy writing. I don&#39;t care if it solved that problem for them, I don&#39;t care if
it posed the possibilities of pitting mother against daughter, I don&#39;t care if it opened the door for more characters. I always feel embarrassed every time
I mention it to someone. It&#39;s like a Power Rangers/Cartoonish type of plot point to me, definitely not fitting for a show that most of the time had stellar
writing.
<br>... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ What with Solan dead, I really hate the thought of Xena giving up or losing another child. Though if the child were Ares&#39;, that would&#39;nt have been to
bad because at least she&#39;d be with her father. All in all, most good scenarios had already been used in other plotlines, when they could&#39;ve been saved
for a Lucy or Renee pregnancy.
<br>
<br>
I really didn&#39;t like the 25 year jump just to have Eve grown up and turn out to be not even all that interesting (except as Livia). We... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  Do you think TPTB would have had the guts to kill Xena at the end of S6 if she was the mother of a toddler?
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Unfortunately no. I think few shows on TV would do something like that, it&#39;s more the type of thing that happens in books, for some reason. It&#39;s as if
that somehow makes her death more harsh and tragic than for her to leave behind a grieving Gabrielle and an adult Eve. Still I would have loved to see it.
<br>
<br>
<br>
And I guess there in... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I agree with you Zauden. I like the plot as it is without changing anything ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Interesting idea about bringing back Toris. Actually I&#39;m not sure he&#39;d have to be played by a different actor. I forget the actor&#39;s name but there
was nothing wrong with him IMO -- it was Cortese who dragged down that episode.
<br>
<br>
(But please, not Alti and spells!) <img src="http://board.xwponline.net/emoticons/blue_blink.gif">
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  <h3 class="quote-title">TheJollyApe said:</h3>
  <hr>
  Also I think having a toddler Eve at the end of season 6 would have... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Late, but I&#39;m here to play.
<br>
<br>
Personally I kinda want the 25 year jump not to have happened. Because it didn&#39;t give us anything really interesting. It felt...well, I just thought they
didn&#39;t use Eve to her full potential.
<br>
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I see no problems what so ever in keeping her as a child and have her stay with Cyrene on a regular basis. That could also have meant they could have
re-introduced Toris (though preferably played by a new actor). Furthermore she could have... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Although Xena really deserved or better yet, needed what she lost with Solan, I&#39;d have to leave things the way they were written. Changing things is as
risky as it should have been when Gabrielle burnt the time line. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <h3 class="quote-title">Pandora10 said:</h3>
  <hr>
  they over-stepped the Hope/Eve parallels for me when they had Xena finding out she was miraculously pregnant, not knowing how it came about, and declaring
  that she just felt that the baby was good
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<br>
Well, I wasn&#39;t overly fond of that either. Actually I wouldn&#39;t have minded if they had made the Hope/Eve parallel more over with the miracle pregnancy
and if Xena showed at least some fear that her... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  I actually agree with you about skipping time. I would not have wanted to miss out on five years or so of X &amp; G&#39;s lives. The only time they did a
  &quot;One year later&quot; was in the Ring cycle when Xena wasn&#39;t herself and Gabrielle was asleep. (Well, and in S5 when they were both asleep in the
  ice cave and nothing was happening to them.)
</blockquote>That actually was one thing that I feel odd about in the Ring episodes.  I didn&#39;t like the idea of missing... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I agree with Pandora actually: good point ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I chose 6. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Pandora10 wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    The passage of time could be sped up so that it no longer matches our real life timeline which would enable them to more rapidly age Eve so we could see
    her as a toddler. Much like that great scene in EB when Xena &quot;teaches&quot; Eve about laying a false trail, it would have been great to see Xena
    teaching say a four year old Eve how to catch the best fish or light a smokeless fire with... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Other--- Xena &amp; Gabrielle go ahead in time travel 25 years, see the Eve/Livia is evil, kill her, which means that she dies baack in time as a baby because
her life thread is cut. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  The passage of time could be sped up so that it no longer matches our real life timeline which would enable them to more rapidly age Eve so we could see her
  as a toddler. Much like that great scene in EB when Xena &quot;teaches&quot; Eve about laying a false trail, it would have been great to see Xena teaching
  say a four year old Eve how to catch the best fish or light a smokeless fire with Gabrielle teaching her how to cook since we know that&#39;s not one of
  Xena&#39;s... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I haven&#39;t read others&#39; responses or the other thread so I&#39;m sorry if I&#39;m repeating things in my reply!
<br>
<br>
Other.  The 25 year leap is fine with me, but the way it was portrayed and the events leading up to it could have been handled better, as well as some of the
post-leap episodes.
<br>
Xena and Gabrielle being sent 25 years into the future is an interesting possibility - but I kind of liked the change to a world where they were widely
believed to be dead.  Plus an... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ DoT, some very interesting ideas there for Amazon storylines! My initial negative reaction to this idea was partly driven by the assumption that &quot;X &amp;
G settling down among the Amazons&quot; = &quot;X &amp; G permanently stuck in an all-female world,&quot; but I guess I wasn&#39;t thinking outside the box. <img src="http://board.xwponline.net/emoticons/grin.gif">
A continued &quot;Amazons vs. Rome&quot; storyline could have been quite interesting. Also, an Amazon storyline could have... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ The more I think about it the more I like the Amazon idea. It would have allowed TPTB to flesh out the culture of the Amazons and perhaps attempt to come up
with a consistent culture rather than &quot;whatever we need to make this work for the episode.&quot; Showing the Amazons interacting with other powers--Rome,
for example, or the Centaurs or maybe Ch&#39;in--would have helped to enhance the &quot;realism&quot; of the Xenaverse and knit it together into a more
coherent construct. Schisms... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  I&#39;m not sure it was that, really, so much as the concern that seeing a baby being constantly exposed to violent acts would be too disturbing or offensive
  to people. I mean, you had Xena holding her baby with one hand and killing people with the other. I think people could deal with it as long as she was
  fighting to protect her child, but if she was fighting for other causes and chose to put her baby in those situations because she was &quot;pursuing her
  career,&quot;... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <h3 class="quote-title">natyxg said:</h3>
  <hr>
  I didn&#39;t have a problem with baby Eve being around (the production team did since a baby on set must be a nightmare all around).
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I&#39;m not sure it was that, really, so much as the concern that seeing a baby being constantly exposed to violent acts would be too disturbing or offensive
to people. I mean, you had Xena holding her baby with one hand and killing people with the other. I think people... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I personally believe that they had made a good decision over the 25 year jump, some scenery and plots were just getting old and overused and they needed that
change to put a spin on things. It was a really crazy idea but I find that they handled it rather gracefully and without much awkwardness.
<br>
<br>
As for picking an alternative, I picked number 4. Writing the pregnancy and the baby in was definitely a good idea and I feel that somehow causing the child to
spontaneously go away... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <div>
  So, we&#39;ve been having a really interesting discussion in this thread, <a title="While I was looking through the &amp;quot;If you could change one thing about the show&amp;quot; thread, I noticed that there are a good number of people that
weren&amp;#39;t happy with season 5.  More specifically, several of them didn&amp;#39;t like..." href="http://www.xena.yuku.com/topic/18055"><font color="#298ACC">Rewriting the 25 year jump</font></a>, about alternatives to the 25-year sleep as a... ]]></description>

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