Rewriting the 25 year jump http://xena.yuku.com/topic/18055/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Tue, 20 May 2008 23:33:10 GMT Sat, 24 May 2008 07:21:14 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://xena.yuku.com/topic/18055/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380897/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380897 feeds@yuku.com (xenawp7706) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380897 Sat, 24 May 2008 07:21:14 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380761/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380761
I enjoyed both B5 and Firefly (and Serenity as well), and those shows may well be a more accurate reflection of the human psyche than Roddenberry's 24th Century Rainbow Coalition; however, all of these shows feature people using exotic technologies, saving the universe (or at least planets), and declaiming to each other and the audience - in short, compared to other TV... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CasualFan) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380761 Fri, 23 May 2008 23:28:23 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380490/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380490 I don't think there has ever been an action/adventure show in which the raising of a small child by a principal character was incorporated into the storyline, so maybe it simply can't be done? Or maybe no one has ever tried it because everyone thinks it can't be done? image Well, in that case, the idea that a principle character can get pregnant and continue on as they have,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Aurora Goddess) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380490 Fri, 23 May 2008 10:27:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380306/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380306 CF, I totally agree that they didn't do enough with the idea of Xena and Gabrielle as semi-legendary heroes after their "return from the dead." Legacy was good in that respect, but as you said, most of the time people reacted to Xena and Gabrielle's presence as if it was an entirely normal thing that they hadn't aged in 25 years. I guess maybe the news spread quickly? feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380306 Fri, 23 May 2008 00:21:22 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380303/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380303 feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380303 Fri, 23 May 2008 00:01:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380301/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380301 All sci-fi has a large element of fantasy - I don't think we're running hyperdrive spaceships to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud right now, nor is there any known technology to build an invulnerable General Products hull of the kind Larry Niven features in his Known Space stories. There's also the classic example of the Mule in Asimov's Foundation and Empire - Asimov knew very well that... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CasualFan) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380301 Thu, 22 May 2008 23:44:25 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380298/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380298 Star Trek -- I'm not a huge expert on ST (the only one I know well is the original series), but I was always under the impression that it was sci-fi with a large element of fantasy rather than truly "hard sci-fi." Maybe this is not true of the "new generation" ST, though?

I still like the time jump and the Livia/Eve storyline, but I have to confess that after reading (and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380298 Thu, 22 May 2008 23:25:50 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380297/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380297 Babylon 5 and Firefly's universes were quite as cartoonish as anything Star Trek put up - they were certainly darker and grittier than most Trek, but I didn't see them as particularly more "realistic." For one thing, they all shared a common flaw of making their aliens... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CasualFan) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380297 Thu, 22 May 2008 23:24:14 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380292/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380292 LK has touched on a fundamental difference between X:WP and a "hard" sci-fi setting like the ST franchise.

It's interesting that you say that, CF, because my freshman English professor would have (and did when I took his class) *strenuously* denied that Star Trek was anywhere near "hard" SF. (He was actually a bit of a snob about it, even grading one of my essays down a bit partly because I chose to write it on Star Trek.) He... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380292 Thu, 22 May 2008 23:05:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380281/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380281 Star Trek universe is supposed to be a logical (if sometimes strained) extrapolation from our own reality; the technologies used, while often exotic, tend to be grounded in the physical laws we know and live with. Likewise, the characters in a Star Trek series are supposed to live much as we... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CasualFan) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380281 Thu, 22 May 2008 22:22:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380056/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380056
Actually, in a way, it could have worked to have one episode where we, in a sense, "jump" into the future. Like the next episode begins with saying this is "5 years after the previous episode or event".... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Aurora Goddess) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380056 Thu, 22 May 2008 09:37:58 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380015/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380015 feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380015 Thu, 22 May 2008 06:12:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380006/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380006 I can deal with that *as long as* it doesn't look like magic is being used as a deus ex machina to get writers out of situations they don't want to deal with--for example as a cover for lazy/bad writing, and all I can say is, to me that's exactly what the 25-year jump looked like. To me, it looked like TPTB were willing to have a baby on the show but were not willing to put in the work necessary to deal with it, so instead of attempting to realistically... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (starfyre01) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380006 Thu, 22 May 2008 05:51:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/380003/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-380003 There's a happier solution -- instead of relinquishing custody of Eve, Xena could establish a home base with Cyrene in Amphipolis and be a part-time warrior, going away on missions with Gabrielle when and where she's needed, and spending time with Eve in between adventures (and mostly, I hope, between episodes as well). You could also have Xena and Gabrielle taking turns staying home with Eve and have a few more Gab-lite and Xena-lite episodes. (I wouldn't... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (xenawp7706) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/380003 Wed, 18 Nov 1992 15:11:45 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/379938/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-379938 My thinking is, if your show is set in a magical universe, why not take take advantage of the opportunities that presents?

I can deal with that *as long as* it doesn't look like magic is being used as a deus ex machina to get writers out of situations they don't want to deal with--for example as a cover for lazy/bad writing, and all I can say is, to me that's exactly what the 25-year jump looked like. To me, it looked like TPTB were willing... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/379938 Thu, 22 May 2008 00:40:16 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/379889/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-379889 Aurora Goddess wrote:
LadyKate63 wrote:
instead of relinquishing custody of Eve, Xena could establish a home base with Cyrene in Amphipolis and be a part-time warrior, going away on missions with Gabrielle when and where she's needed, and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (wingstwospirit) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/379889 Wed, 21 May 2008 22:24:23 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/379848/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-379848 Ojima wrote:
Imo, Livia, Eve and Motherhood were not bad, and I would say they are actually probably part of what salvaged season 5. If anything it was the pregnancy in general that made season 5 problematic, not the way they handled growing eve up. Furthermore, you'd have to judge the quality of the time jump by how season 6 was regarded, and if anything, I feel as though it was barely noticeable in some ways that the old... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/379848 Wed, 21 May 2008 20:06:17 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/379818/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-379818
Imo, Livia, Eve and Motherhood were not bad, and I would say they are actually probably part of what salvaged season 5. If anything it was the pregnancy in general that made season 5 problematic, not the way they handled growing eve up. Furthermore, you'd have to judge the quality of the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Ojima) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/379818 Wed, 21 May 2008 19:06:44 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/379803/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-379803 LadyKate63 wrote:
instead of relinquishing custody of Eve, Xena could establish a home base with Cyrene in Amphipolis and be a part-time warrior, going away on missions with Gabrielle when and where she's needed, and spending time with Eve in between adventures (and mostly, I hope, between episodes as well). You... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Aurora Goddess) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/379803 Wed, 21 May 2008 18:38:01 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/reply/379794/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html#reply-379794 feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) http://xena.yuku.com/sreply/379794 Wed, 18 Nov 1964 15:11:41 GMT <![CDATA[ Rewriting the 25 year jump ]]> http://xena.yuku.com/topic/18055/t/Rewriting-the-25-year-jump.html feeds@yuku.com (wingstwospirit) http://xena.yuku.com/topic/18055 Tue, 20 May 2008 23:33:10 GMT