LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (bowlerhatgirl) — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:41:27 GMT

Right, but she both realized she could rely on him and played him once again, so by the end, while she knew he had been there for her, she also knew that she had sort of screwed him over. You wonder what would have happened if he hadn't been all macho at the end there? I wonder what would have happened if, say, a stray rock had hit Gabrielle in the head before she could launch that attack

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:33:24 GMT

Actually I think that in AUS, Xena did realize that she could rely on Ares. He did fight Athena for her, after all (and when he tells her, in the temple, "I would have kept our bargain," she replies with some regret, "I know you would have"). Actually, this is a somewhat different topic but I have to wonder what would have happened if, at the end of AUS, Ares hadn't acted like such an ass with the macho swagger and the "shall we conclude our transaction."...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (bowlerhatgirl) — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:16:44 GMT

Oh, LadyKate, that's a much trickier question than I thought at first... I don't think she trusted him enough [not because he was Ares, but because she has trust issues all around] to tell him of her plan before hand and I don't really believe she would want to tell him afterwards, once Eve was safe. I do believe, though, that she would have had no choice but telling him because a) TPTB always made a big deal of them sensing each other so obviously he would...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:06:22 GMT

Hey, bowlerhatgirl! I'm sure she knew that it was Ares had put them in the ice cave. But my point is, if she intends for him to go on thinking she's dead, why call on him? He doesn't have Eve -- Octavius does. And when she calls out Ares, she has no idea it's been 25 years -- as far as she knows, they could have been in the cave for two days or a week. She doesn't look to me like she's totally losing it.
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Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (bowlerhatgirl) — Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:53:40 GMT

Well, I like to believe that the reason Ares was the first she thought about in Livia is cause she thinks about him all the time, lol, but fanatism aside, I think that, him being the last one she saw, she guesses he must have had something to do with the whole Mt. Edna thing. Plus, we know she thinks fast on her feet, and waking up in an ice tomb, well, there's only so many ways of getting there and who would be powerful enough to do that? She knows she wasn't popular with...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (Sylvius Delmonte) — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:13:52 GMT

Tja, Kathrin!

It seems to me we have come to a point, from which the discussion (between us two) cannot go further. You wrote, Xena had enough time to think her situation over. I don't see it that way. We just have to accept this difference, I bet. But I'm sure, we can....
Just one other htought to my second explanation: you said, Xena did not know, that her plan has failed. I'm not so sure about...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (Little Godling) — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:40:20 GMT

Oh my I've never thought of it that way. Well I think that Xena thought Ares would catch on but he didn't so the first thing she did was call on him for locking her in a cave for 25 years. I don't blame Ares, he thought that the woman he loved had died. The only emotion going through his head was sadness. I don't think at that moment he would be thinking if she was faking.

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feeds@yuku.com (xenathewarrior) — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:18:53 GMT

I don't think Xena wanted Ares to believe that she was dead...cause her plan was to make the gods to believe that her daughter Eve was dead...and she never expected that Ares locked her in a ice cave!!!!!!

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:06:48 GMT

Well, of course no one has to be right, we're just discussing ideas.

I'll try to explain my second point. I don't think Xena knows yet that her plan has failed. If they had only been in the cave for, say, a couple of days (and at that point she has no reason to believe otherwise), and Octavius has Eve, then the plan has succeeded. Right? In fact, if her plan is for Ares (along with the other gods) to think that...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (Sylvius Delmonte) — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:39:03 GMT

To my first explanation:
To be honest, I don't think, Xena has had enough time to think of Ares. First she realizes that she is somewhere unknown. Then she must try to wake up Gabrielle. Then her next thought is about Eve, her daughter (of course). She realizes something has gone wrong, but to find out, what it is, they both must get out of the cave. That's her next thought.
And only then she has time and...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:16:48 GMT

Umm, why would I get mad at anyone for disagreeing with me?

(And why the "beating a dead horse" emoticon? This discussion hasn't been going on that long! )

Why did Xena call Ares after she awoke? I think indeed, she was angry at him and it did override her good...

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (Sylvius Delmonte) — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:54:03 GMT

Hallo, LadyKate!

In one aspect I disagree with you (please don't get mad at me???).
Why did Xena call Ares after she awoke? I think indeed, she was angry at him and it did override her good judgement. To me that would be easy to understand. In this moment she does not think of the fact that she is ruining her plan, she's too excited....

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:16:10 GMT

secular atrophy said:

Maybe they did try to find Ares, but he wouldn't answer any calls. For twenty-five years.

!!! Makes me visualize someone calling out for Ares and getting a "Hi, this is Ares, God of War. I'm not taking any calls right now ... so **** OFF!" message.

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Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (Aresbitch) — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:43:43 GMT

At the very least I can easily believe it wouldn't be easy to 'hail' Ares after Xena's death. I imagine he took himself as far away as possible to mourn and wasn't accepting 'calls'.

As time passes differently for a god, they probably gave up trying before he manifested anywhere near Greece or Rome again.

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (secular atrophy) — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:50:40 GMT

I think I see Xena intending to have Ares find out she wasn't dead after the fact. I don't believe she meant for him to catch on at the beach, since she wouldn't want to take any chances. Athena would probably think something was wrong if she saw Xena wink at Ares. Right? Harder to hide than a dolly?

Anyway, I speculate that Xena intended for the less pleasant gods to go away, convinced that she was dead, and Ares to be still standing on the beach with their bodies,...

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feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:46:14 GMT

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ErisPhobos, I agree, of course, that Xena was pissed and that was part of the reason she called out Ares. But my point is, if she was really intent on him not knowing she was alive, she wouldn't have done that. Surely she wasn't so pissed off that it totally overrode her good judgment. Especially since at that point she didn't even realize yet that...

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feeds@yuku.com (ErisPhobos) — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:48:33 GMT

I didn't really think that Xena wanted Ares to think she was faking it, I mean her death hehe.. I think she was just mad at him since he was the last person she saw before she did it, and after that she woke up in a ice coffin. I'd be kinda pissed too, but then I'd just feel the love because at least he buried me! lol

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (Sylvius Delmonte) — Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:44:01 GMT

Hallo LadyKate!

You brought an interesting explanation. Never thought of that.

Let's just hope, the Gods knew of this other realm containing heaven and hell. Otherwise they still would be react quite carefree...

By the way: how can I include this animated banner into my posts? Where do I have to put it so it appears down here?

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feeds@yuku.com (skalpro) — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:26:19 GMT

I never thought about it... I just thought she thought that he had totally burried them on Mt Etna... and he would be the only dork to do so. She didn't care that he knew she was alive... and who would care after she had pulled off what she wanted... Ares wasn't out to get her He loved her and she knew that he would be the last one to tell on her if he knew she was alive IMHO

Re: LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:02:01 GMT

Hi, Sylvius Delmonte! Welcome to XOC.

Check out the Xenite Questionnaire, it's a good place to introduce yourself.

As for your question -- Xena and Gabrielle went to Heaven/Hell in Fallen Angel, not Tartarus/Elysian Fields. I'm assuming that because of their connection to...

LDITE -- did Xena want Ares to believe she was dead?

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Mon, 19 May 2008 16:30:42 GMT

So, we've been having a very interesting discussion in the main forum about how Xena knew that Ares would stop her from skewering herself with her sword on that beach in Looking Death in the Eye, and why it never occurred to her that he would bury her and Gabrielle. Jinx's Minx suggested that maybe on some level Xena, or some part of her, was hoping that Ares would catch on and realize that she was faking suicide. That seemed rather unlikely to me, but then I remembered something very...