Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Rangerwolf) — Fri, 16 May 2008 16:22:49 GMT

Brabmuffin, I cannot imagine how upsetting this entire mess is, and I trust you know what to do. It just kills me that the justice system is so out of whack when it comes to protecting innocent men and women from human beasts like the person that hurt your coworker. As primal as it sounds, I hope this beast gets caught by someone ready and able to end his path of destruction. Rangerwolf

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (brabmuffin) — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:33:13 GMT

Thanks Bardi....

I understand everyone's concern.. But like I have said, and like Bardi has also pointed out.. I am very well trained in hand to hand combat as well as a weapons... I know the difference as to when to use a gun and when not to... And it has been drilled in my head that if I am going to point a gun at anyone, i better be ready to shoot it...

It's not something that I take lightly.. I am not going to carry one just carry one, and feel powerful... But...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (bardicgirl) — Fri, 16 May 2008 15:14:16 GMT

I've been thinking and need to rant...

we don't need to be lecturing Brabs on what to do, the evils of guns, the bad and horrible ways weapons can be turned on on the user... studies and surveys and how other countries deal with weapons ...

In my view we need to be supportive of Brabs and the situation she's in.. we all live with the possibility of some type of violence being inflicted on ourselves families or friends, being aware of your surroundings and...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (brabmuffin) — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:43:41 GMT

Thanks Bardi...

I have shown the women in my office some basic defensive moves... How to hold their key's so they are like brass knuckels, and a few other things... I am just greatful that I know what to do.. Hopefully I have been able to teach them enough to defend themselves as well

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (bardicgirl) — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:39:48 GMT

Brabs...

Just be aware of your surroundings, I know you know what you need to do to be safe. Please be careful....

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) — Sun, 11 May 2008 02:14:07 GMT

Rangerwolf: What I am referring to is a very specific event that happened during a specific limited time period in a specific location, during the early 90s (as I said in my post), in which cougars--due in large part to Boulderites refusing to take them seriously as potentially dangerous predators--had become increasingly habituated to humans' presence and began to look on and perceive humans as prey animals. As for "living in harmony with nature"--it was that sort of attitude...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Rangerwolf) — Sun, 11 May 2008 00:51:41 GMT

DT: I would be careful stating there is a plague of cougars, bears, wolves, or most animals: yeah, there are some bad human-animal interactions, but most of the issues arose from humans killing off their prey. More sharks are slaughtered by us than sharks killing or harming humans, and many reports of predator kills by ranchers and farmers were proven to be false via the hunters hired by the government to eliminate supposed predators. Too many times the hunters learned the animals...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Rangerwolf) — Sun, 11 May 2008 00:39:30 GMT

Brabmuffin: First, hugs. Second, I cannot imagine what it must be like, and I hope the freak that hurt your friend meets a truly just end. Third, if packing, take proper classes, including how to keep and defend your weapon from being taken. Fourth, be aware. Fifth, I think stun weapons should be made legal for law abiding folks without histories of mental illness, since stunning is non-lethal. No disrespect to the anti-weapons folks, but I think law abiding folks should have the right to own...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (JinxsMinx) — Sat, 10 May 2008 19:36:17 GMT

Daughter of Tiaran wrote:
Perhaps this ties into what Jinx was saying about mental preparedness--learning how to shift gears enough to recognize that yes, this *is* a dangerous situation and you need to use whatever it is you've got to be able to get yourself out of it.

*nods in agreement*

As in poker, an ace will beat a king, but a jack can still bluff its way to an ace's fold.

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (cobalt snow) — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:10:46 GMT

brabmuffin,

I'm terribly sorry this happened to your friend-and I'm sorry that you and your friends have to pack weapons. Jerks like this attacker can give men a bad name. The guy ought to be castrated.

As for the fact that you and your co-workers have to carry weapons...you gotta do what you need to do.

Why do some men have to be such pigs?!? What's the deal with assaulting women and torturing them mentally...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) — Sat, 10 May 2008 18:49:25 GMT

And....well, maybe one would have a different view on guns when you've had to deal with coyotes, or even more commonly dogs

Or cougars. I was just reading The Beast in the Garden, about a 1990s-era cougar plague around the area of Boulder, Colorado that culminated in the death of a male high school student--one of the encounters involved a man who had to shoot a cougar that was actively stalking his seven-year-old son. It was a very...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (dahllaz) — Sat, 10 May 2008 18:40:08 GMT

That's a very interesting website DoT - I really liked this point they make at the end of the rape section: That is to say that even though he touched her first the woman either threw the first blow or broke free from the grip with extreme force. In these circumstances, those actions provoke an attack. When advocates hear this they immediately start squealing about us blaming the victim. We're not. Our problem...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Nanziniemi) — Sat, 10 May 2008 18:00:15 GMT

JinxsMinx wrote:
Hence why I said we have different realities.

Very well said. I rest my case cause it only frustrates me:) ( But I still love you all )

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (JinxsMinx) — Sat, 10 May 2008 16:08:56 GMT

LK and DoT;

Excellent points, both of you! I would just like to clarify what I meant.

Taking a couple of self-defense classes won't get you very far - true! And martial arts, a lot of the times, doesn't save your skin either. Sad but true.

What it does give you, however, if you go to a serious club (or studio, gym - doesn't have to be a "dojo"), is a different kind of mental readiness that is never bad to have! It teaches you to hopefully...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (XenAres1) — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:34:31 GMT

Wow Brabs, I am just flabbergasted. I'm so sorry you are going through this and that woman you work with...ugh, I can't even begin to imagine the trauma she went through and is still going through. My heart goes out to her. I know guns can be a sensitive subject in certain places, but I'm just glad that you are taking precautions. Sadly, we live in a crazy world and even with modern technology aka cell phones, that still doesn't mean we can get someone on the line to help...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:23:56 GMT

Very interesting, DoT! I think, too, it's important to realize that a class is not the same as a real-life situation.

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:16:09 GMT

LadyKate, I was just going to say something along those lines. In general, I guess I'm somewhat wary of the idea that because "I took karate" or "I had a self-defense class once," that makes 5'4" me perfectly prepared to contend physically with an attacker--especially a larger, stronger one who is already committed to using extreme violence to get what he wants. For one thing, I've heard that there has been a movement in some martial arts styles toward...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Sat, 10 May 2008 14:00:24 GMT

Well said, DoT.

Just wanted to add something about training in self-defense without weapons. Sure, it's a great idea, but I think people may underestimate the extent of both skill and psychological resolve it takes to successfully defend oneself in hand-to-hand combat. (For one thing, any normal person has a built-in barrier to deliberately trying to hurt or injure someone -- a gun makes it easier due to lack of direct physical contact.) Just as a gun can sometimes end up...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (Daughter of Tiaran) — Sat, 10 May 2008 13:43:34 GMT

Anyway... I would definitely consider getting a gun if I felt I was in danger. I will say, though, that if you're going to get a gun it's very important to have good training in firearm use and safety. Personally I think it's a choice that should be available to people.

I am with you here. There is no "one size fits all" approach to crime and self-defense, unfortunately--if there were, there wouldn't be so much debate...

Re: OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (LadyKate63) — Sat, 10 May 2008 13:07:36 GMT

Unfortunately all the research on guns and gun use is surrounded by so much politics on both sides that it's very difficult to get at the facts.

It's easy to look at the comparative violent crime/murder rates in Sweden (where Jinxy lives) and in the US and say "aha, a total ban on guns makes you safer." However, in Switzerland gun ownership is actually mandatory for every household (a law left over from the times when every able-bodied male was supposed to...

OMFG!! (not for the faint hearted)

feeds@yuku.com (brabmuffin) — Fri, 09 May 2008 03:17:35 GMT

One of my co-workers has been out sick this whole week... It wasn't hard for me to put the pieces together as to why she has been gone.. I was just hoping to hell I was wrong... She came into the clinic today and was talking to a few of us... She wouldn't go into detail, but she told us enough to comfirm our thoughts..

Last weekend, she was attacked... With me being in charge of all the labs that come through, I put 2+2 together real fast.. After seeing that types of labs...